TOP FREE AGENT SAFETIES.....POOF

[Bossman641]

want a list?

TJ lang
brad jones
morgan burnett
tramon
hawk
bush
shields
maybe clay if his ass can never stay healthy and get back on the field and contribute

and guys that were recently overpaid but are now free agents
kuhn
finley
we tried to overpay raji

all those guys are or have been overpaid by us. if they were free agents that we signed from someone else, people on here would be crying about how we overpaid. but since they were are our guys, no big deal, that was fair

really the guys that aren't getting higher then market value pay are a-rod, jordy, sitton and the 40 guys on the team that are still on their rookie deals

Hard for me to say Lang is overpaid after seeing the deals going out yesterday
Jones - yes but it's not a killer
Burnett - no argument he was last year, but it was only 1 year in
Tramon - he's in his last year, normally the highest year

[Joemailman]

The other thing to remember, is that the Packers have an inordinate number of FAs on the market (was it 16 when they started?), which means a lot of roster spots to fill. So a serious segment of that $30+ mil in cap space must be devoted to filling out the roster at roughly $1 mil per player.

Keep in mind though that the Packers ended the season with a huge number of players on IR. So, at the end of the season, that had more players under contract than most teams. So, while they have an inordinate number of FA's, that doesn't necessarily mean they have an inordinate number of roster spots to fill.

[pbmax]

Keep in mind though that the Packers ended the season with a huge number of players on IR. So, at the end of the season, that had more players under contract than most teams. So, while they have an inordinate number of FA's, that doesn't necessarily mean they have an inordinate number of roster spots to fill.

Fair point. Anyone have numbers on open roster spots?

[3irty1]

it seems to me like the guys you would hope would last a few days and then be had for bargain deal, went this year on the first day, for bargain deals

teams started the bargain shopping early this year

and when we're sitting on 30 million in cap space, yes this would be the year to pay MARKET VALUE for some decent guys that could help. not just guys that can come in to compete for a spot

I definitely don't see any bargains in PB's list unless we're comparing those contracts to Shields'. I could have lived with Whitner's contract. And Mike Mitchell could end up being a deal but even by FA standards he's kind of risky in a Brad-Jones-of-safeties kind of way. The safety position is so incredibly weak around the entire league that it seems there is a premium. We've got a fit too that requires more athleticism than many others, I'm not shocked he went to the Steelers to play in a D like ours.

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Keep in mind though that the Packers ended the season with a huge number of players on IR. So, at the end of the season, that had more players under contract than most teams. So, while they have an inordinate number of FA's, that doesn't necessarily mean they have an inordinate number of roster spots to fill.

not true, exactly

the cap space we currently have reflects the top 53 guys on the roster right now. a lot of the rookies, or other guys we bring in are gonna cost near the minimum, so they're probably just going to be replacing guy that are currently counting near the minimum against the cap.

it might move if we start signing some guys for around 2 or 3 million. but if we start signing a bunch of million dollar guys, that cap isn't gonna move too much

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Hard for me to say Lang is overpaid after seeing the deals going out yesterday
Jones - yes but it's not a killer
Burnett - no argument he was last year, but it was only 1 year in
Tramon - he's in his last year, normally the highest year

langs contract averages out to abour 5.2 million a year. making him the 13th highest paid guard by yearly average

imho, lang is not a top 15 guard, and is one of the weak spots on our line, and a guy who we should be looking at finding competition for (in the draft)

[3irty1]

langs contract averages out to abour 5.2 million a year. making him the 13th highest paid guard by yearly average

imho, lang is not a top 15 guard, and is one of the weak spots on our line, and a guy who we should be looking at finding competition for (in the draft)

Super common fallacy but fallacy none the less to think the Nth highest paid player should be the Nth best player. Rookie contracts always screw that up because they're making WAY below their market value. Lang is not a probowler but is not an easy dude to replace and its laughable to say he's a weak spot on the line when he's playing in between two players worse than himself for the last two years.

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I definitely don't see any bargains in PB's list unless we're comparing those contracts to Shields'. I could have lived with Whitner's contract. And Mike Mitchell could end up being a deal but even by FA standards he's kind of risky in a Brad-Jones-of-safeties kind of way. The safety position is so incredibly weak around the entire league that it seems there is a premium. We've got a fit too that requires more athleticism than many others, I'm not shocked he went to the Steelers to play in a D like ours.

tj ward just became the 16th highest paid safety. he's young, on the rise, and he's a pro bowler

(morgan burnett is ranked 18th btw)

whitner got market value on the first day of free agency, thats a bargain. he now is the 8th, 9th, or 10th highest paid safety. right about where he should be

byrd became the highest paid safety, and he should have. but we're gonna find out that a good chunk of that deal is bull shit money

[bobblehead]

paying top dollar to our own is just part of doing business

paying market value or slightly more for other free agents though is negligent, and unsound

Mostly true, because continuity matters. Also, from a GM perspective, he would be crucified for letting Shields get away, but not for letting, say, TJ Ward get away.

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Super common fallacy but fallacy none the less to think the Nth highest paid player should be the Nth best player. Rookie contracts always screw that up because they're making WAY below their market value. Lang is not a probowler but is not an easy dude to replace and its laughable to say he's a weak spot on the line when he's playing in between two players worse than himself for the last two years.

he's been a weak spot for years, not just this year

[denverYooper]

Every one of them on defense I'd say, ones like Tramon, Burnett, Jones, and CMIII I could understand at the time but we haven't gotten our money's worth out of any of them. Pickett has been worth it but between age and pay increases he probably didn't quite earn his check last year either. No I don't think it was right to pay Sam. I'm starting to believe in the idea of the GB premium. The state income tax certainly doesn't help. There is a reason Florida has 3 teams.

Yes. They have 3.374 times the population of Wisconsin.

[bobblehead]

he's been a weak spot for years, not just this year

LT has been our weak spot since Clifton left. RT hasn't been much better other than when Bulaga is healthy. Center was merely adequate last year. Lang is a player and if we lost him, you would notice (or maybe not since no one seems to notice that Baktiari isn't all that)

[3irty1]

tj ward just became the 16th highest paid safety. he's young, on the rise, and he's a pro bowler

(morgan burnett is ranked 18th btw)

whitner got market value on the first day of free agency, thats a bargain. he now is the 8th, 9th, or 10th highest paid safety. right about where he should be

byrd became the highest paid safety, and he should have. but we're gonna find out that a good chunk of that deal is bull shit money

Ward is a fine player but he doesn't really play the same position as the others we're talking about here. Ward is not a great coverage player and strong safeties in that mold aren't in short supply. I wouldn't want him at that contract in GB.

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Ward is a fine player but he doesn't really play the same position as the others we're talking about here. Ward is not a great coverage player and strong safeties in that mold aren't in short supply. I wouldn't want him at that contract in GB.

depends how you look at it. i think burnett should be our SS, not our FS

and i would take ward at his deal any day of the week of burnett and his deal

the problem is, we can't get rid of burnett, and he can't play FS

so you're right that ward and burnett on the same team probably wouldn't work, but i still think he would have been a huge upgrade at either safety spot

[pbmax]

Selling low on a player is not a wise idea. Packers tend to be more right than wrong about their own players. Burnett deserves another year before we start calculating the cap hit of releasing him.