In Play at the OTAs (2014)

[Brandon494]

Just going back and looking at last years draft...WOW. We might end up with 5-6 starters from that draft.

[Rutnstrut]

IMO this is AR's way of saying once we get the next starter let's keep him for awhile. I'm not lobbying for EDS here, what I am saying is it's another screw up that the TT ball sack crew love to overlook.

[Brandon494]

IMO this is AR's way of saying once we get the next starter let's keep him for awhile. I'm not lobbying for EDS here, what I am saying is it's another screw up that the TT ball sack crew love to overlook.

[smuggler]

2013 draft was as good as the 2011 draft was bad.

[woodbuck27]

And now he might get it. Linsley is 22. Tretter is 23. Whoever wins the battle has a chance to be the starting Center for a long time. If the Packers had brought EDS back, they probably would have been looking to replace him in a year or two because of his mediocrity. The revolving door would have continued. Now there's a chance it will stop.

This should happen as it's a key issue with the Packers that Aaron Rodgers has a center that he can feel really comfortable with....year to year to year. The turnover at that position and Packers is a negative.

[woodbuck27]

IMO this is AR's way of saying once we get the next starter let's keep him for awhile. I'm not lobbying for EDS here, what I am saying is it's another screw up that the TT ball sack crew love to overlook.

The TT LOVE is ................ "a Big Big LOVE".

[pbmax]

Packers offense in the two years since Scott Wells:

2013, 8th in points (minus Rodgers for 8 games)
2012, 5th in points

Last two years of Scott Wells.

2011, 1st in points
2010, 10th in points


Impact by key issue (and pain in the ass) of starting center:

Terrible, no good has beens and never was: rank of 6.5 in league scoring
Awesome, irreplaceable and worth every penny even when injured Scott Wells: 5.5 rank in League scoring


I don't know how T2 sleeps at night.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think this is a case of the media "making news" with the questions they ask. I doubt Rodgers just spoke out and brought up the center thing. I don't recall ever in the Rodgers era or the Favre era for that matter having snap problems under center or any significant shotgun snap problems either. The issue regarding a center is blocking either in the running game or stopping the pass rush up the middle. With Saturday, for example, both of those were a problem. EDS was a major improvement; The key for this season is not taking a step back. I think we will be OK, as Saturday was over the hill, and Tretter and Linsley are both young and strong. The reason people (myself included) say just about anybody can be plugged in there is the Packers don't expect much from the position - no sophisticated pulling or whatever - just snap the ball and show some muscle up the middle.

[Just Jeff]

Packers offense in the two years since Scott Wells:

2013, 8th in points (minus Rodgers for 8 games)
2012, 5th in points

Last two years of Scott Wells.

2011, 1st in points
2010, 10th in points


Impact by key issue (and pain in the ass) of starting center:

Terrible, no good has beens and never was: rank of 6.5 in league scoring
Awesome, irreplaceable and worth every penny even when injured Scott Wells: 5.5 rank in League scoring


I don't know how T2 sleeps at night.

Packers QB sacked in the two years since Scott Wells:

2013, 10th with 45; QB hits 20th with 75
2012, 5th with 51; QB hits 7th with 85

Last two years of Scott Wells.

2011, 19th with 41; QB hits 21st with 73
2010, 16th with 38: QB hits 23rd with 67

I don't know how TT sleeps at night, but when he tried to rebuild our Oline, he certainly was

[Brandon494]

Packers QB sacked in the two years since Scott Wells:

2013, 10th with 45; QB hits 20th with 75
2012, 5th with 51; QB hits 7th with 85

Last two years of Scott Wells.

2011, 19th with 41; QB hits 21st with 73
2010, 16th with 38: QB hits 23rd with 67

I don't know how TT sleeps at night, but when he tried to rebuild our Oline, he certainly was

So we blaming the center position now when it was obviously the tackles giving up the sacks?

[Brandon494]

Packers offense in the two years since Scott Wells:

2013, 8th in points (minus Rodgers for 8 games)
2012, 5th in points

Last two years of Scott Wells.

2011, 1st in points
2010, 10th in points


Impact by key issue (and pain in the ass) of starting center:

Terrible, no good has beens and never was: rank of 6.5 in league scoring
Awesome, irreplaceable and worth every penny even when injured Scott Wells: 5.5 rank in League scoring


I don't know how T2 sleeps at night.

Funny how we were a more efficient offense when Finley played, what a waste of cap space.

[pbmax]

Packers QB sacked in the two years since Scott Wells:

2013, 10th with 45; QB hits 20th with 75
2012, 5th with 51; QB hits 7th with 85

Last two years of Scott Wells.

2011, 19th with 41; QB hits 21st with 73
2010, 16th with 38: QB hits 23rd with 67

I don't know how TT sleeps at night, but when he tried to rebuild our Oline, he certainly was

Was that Wells or Bulaga and Clifton? Or was it protection calls? Hard to separate out without film.

I don't have McGinn's season ending totals article at hand, but if I recall, Newhouse in 2012 and Barclay in 2013 were the biggest offenders.

[Just Jeff]

Was that Wells or Bulaga and Clifton? Or was it protection calls? Hard to separate out without film.

I don't have McGinn's season ending totals article at hand, but if I recall, Newhouse in 2012 and Barclay in 2013 were the biggest offenders.

I'm not really saying that the center position was responsible for all of that, but you posted numbers showing how we didn't miss Wells, and I posted numbers that said we do. My perspective is, was and will be, when drafting Olinemen (not just centers), TT should not be in the room, not even for a fist bump.

[Brandon494]

I'm not really saying that the center position was responsible for all of that, but you posted numbers showing how we didn't miss Wells, and I posted numbers that said we do. My perspective is, was and will be, when drafting Olinemen (not just centers), TT should not be in the room, not even for a fist bump.

I disagree, besides Sherrod who had a freak accident, which OL did TT whiff on?

[pbmax]

I'm not really saying that the center position was responsible for all of that, but you posted numbers showing how we didn't miss Wells, and I posted numbers that said we do. My perspective is, was and will be, when drafting Olinemen (not just centers), TT should not be in the room, not even for a fist bump.

I think the terrible injury luck with his replacement tackles, Sherrod and Bulaga, has forced the team's hand in ways that directly hurt performance. Prior to 2013, it was the run game that usually suffered. Whether by design or lack of options, Tauscher, Clifton and Newhouse all pass blocked better than run blocked.

With Bach and Barclay, it was pass pro. Neither is ideal for that job. Both likely will need to improve to keep their job long term.

If Bulaga cannot be trusted to stay healthy or Sherrod peters out, they are going to have to find another Left Tackle because I am not sure the future starter is on the team in that case.

With a rejuvenated run game, Rodgers could adopt one of veteran Favre's skills and get the ball out early rather than waiting for a bigger play.