In Play at the OTAs (2014)

[Just Jeff]

Colledge and Mandarich picks aren't even in the same universe. And though Manwich played fair in Indy, from my reading people generally think Colledge is a lot more solid than Manwich. Manwich in Indy = stop gap.

My point was simple, so I applaud you for missing it. If you think that Colledge was a "solid" olineman for the Packers, then Patler's list of TT's oline gems must have made you turgid.

[Patler]

If a criticism of TT is to be made, I think it is that he hasn't committed enough high draft picks to the O-line. In 10 drafts, just two first, one second and one third for what amounts to over 20% of the starting positions. He has tried to put together an O-line with mostly low draft picks, and he might have pulled it off if Bulaga and Sherrod had avoided injury and performed as expected.

[smuggler]

The fact that the player personnel dept actually drafted a true center this year rings as a departure from previous drafting ethos. Though I do agree with Just Jeff to some extent, I still have some hope that things will improve.

[pbmax]

My point was simple, so I applaud you for missing it. If you think that Colledge was a "solid" olineman for the Packers, then Patler's list of TT's oline gems must have made you turgid.

He was better than Mandarich. Certainly a better pass blocker and probably even as a run blocker. He had limitations and could be beaten clean at times, but that was usually the exception. The Cardinals kept him last year even after signing Carson Palmer, so they trusted he was not QB kryptonite.

Mandarich was a marginal starter for a bad team. Colledge went to the NFC Championship Game in his second year.

Unless you are terrible as a team for a decade, you can't draft 1s and 2s across the board on the O line. He was sufficient but replaceable. He is emblematic of a problem, though not because of his play at Guard. Thompson keeps seeing guys like this in college and holds out hope they can develop or backup at Left Tackle. Until Bach, that wasn't really working.

[mraynrand]

My point was simple, so I applaud you for missing it. If you think that Colledge was a "solid" olineman for the Packers, then Patler's list of TT's oline gems must have made you turgid.

My point was simple, so I applaud you for missing it. That Colledge is regarded better than Manwich.

Meanwhile, Patler wrote: "I'm not a fan of Daryn Colledge, but he has started in the NFL for 8 years. That wasn't a bad pick." How you can twist that into "solid" for the Packers or construe Patler's list as "gems" probably explains how you missed my simple point. Cheers!

[Rutnstrut]

"I consider not paying Wells as TT's biggest mistake. "

I said at the time they let him go that it would bite TT in the ass, and really if you are honest about it, it has. Whether people want to admit it or not, quality centers aren't a dime a dozen. if you have one, you better pay the man. Especially if he's snapping the ball to your star QB who isn't getting any younger.

[RashanGary]

If that's the biggest mistake of a GM who had been calling the shots for nearly a decade, it's no wonder the Packers have been so successful and no wonder tt gets so much respect around the league. As. Packer fans, we've been blessed.

[MadScientist]

"I consider not paying Wells as TT's biggest mistake. "

I said at the time they let him go that it would bite TT in the ass, and really if you are honest about it, it has. Whether people want to admit it or not, quality centers aren't a dime a dozen. if you have one, you better pay the man. Especially if he's snapping the ball to your star QB who isn't getting any younger.

On the other hand Wells has missed 13 games over the last 2 seasons. TT did screw up by not finding a better replacement, but they may have anticipated problems with Well's health or his declining ability.

[Patler]

At the time, I wanted them to let Finley walk and use the money to sign Wells because they had no one else at center. But, I'm not sure that would have been a good idea either. Even putting aside his injuries (he has played only 19 games the last two seasons), it sounds as if his play has slipped, and at 33 he will continue to slide. There have been rumors that the Rams will let him go, and several articles have said his sub last year graded out better than Wells did. They also have Barratt Jones.

[Just Jeff]

Colledge and Mandarich picks aren't even in the same universe. And though Manwich played fair in Indy, from my reading people generally think Colledge is a lot more solid than Manwich. Manwich in Indy = stop gap.

I hope this solve the mystery of where I got "solid" from.

My point was simple, so I applaud you for missing it. That Colledge is regarded better than Manwich.

Meanwhile, Patler wrote: "I'm not a fan of Daryn Colledge, but he has started in the NFL for 8 years. That wasn't a bad pick." How you can twist that into "solid" for the Packers or construe Patler's list as "gems" probably explains how you missed my simple point. Cheers!

I never said that Manderich was better than Colledge. Colledge's may have had some solid years, but they weren't in Green Bay.
Truth > made up shit

[mraynrand]

I hope this solve the mystery of where I got "solid" from.

but it's not from where it matters. No one said Colledge was solid relative to any standard other than in comparison to Manwich. Try again.

Understanding > incomprehension

[mraynrand]

I never said that Manderich was better than Colledge. Colledge's may have had some solid years, but they weren't in Green Bay.

The point wasn't whether Colledge was 'solid' it was whether he was a bad pick or not - at least that was Patler's point. I'll leave it to Patler to say whether Patler thinks he's 'solid' and against what standard.

Colledge>Manwich
Understanding>made up shit

[Just Jeff]

but it's not from where it matters. No one said Colledge was solid relative to any standard other than in comparison to Manwich. Try again.

Understanding > incomprehension

Then you shouldn't have used the work solid. I didn't choose the wrong word, you did. That's why I put it in quotes. I hate when what I say, comes back to bite me.

[Brandon494]

"I consider not paying Wells as TT's biggest mistake. "

I said at the time they let him go that it would bite TT in the ass, and really if you are honest about it, it has. Whether people want to admit it or not, quality centers aren't a dime a dozen. if you have one, you better pay the man. Especially if he's snapping the ball to your star QB who isn't getting any younger.

Packers fans are spoiled brats, other teams are complaining about not having a QB while you guys are complaining about TT letting go of a center past his prime.

FYI there is a reason centers get paid the least of all offensive lineman.

[Just Jeff]

The point wasn't whether Colledge was 'solid' it was whether he was a bad pick or not - at least that was Patler's point. Colledge>Manwich
Understanding>made up shit

My point was simple, so I applaud you for missing it. That Colledge is regarded better than Manwich.

So then you don't think that Colledge is solid? Thanx for agreeing with my original premise, that you went to pains to discredit, which was, TT has done a terrible job of developing our Oline.