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  • #31
    Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
    That writer could be wrong, since they just changed the rules to add two vet players to practice squad.

    But doesn't matter, Tolzien gets picked-up off waivers if he is cut.
    Originally posted by run pMc View Post
    Yep.
    As I understand it, a player can still spend only three years on practice squads. Tolzien has used those up.

    They made some changes to practice squad eligibility of players who have been on active rosters, but I don't think that helps Tolzien at all because he has already used up his three years on practice squads.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by CaliforniaCheez View Post
      Tolzien is practice squad eligible.

      He has been on the game day roster for only 3 games in his career. You are eligible until the 10th game active.

      This season with the expansion of 2 spots on the practice squad those 2 are allowed to be over the 3 year limit. There are new rules this year and you may want to read about it.

      http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-ti...ad-eligibility
      Not according to every beat writer. Wilde verified via a Twitter post. Something about Tolzien being in his 4th year and players with 3 or less years being eligible.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #33
        Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
        Not according to every beat writer. Wilde verified via a Twitter post. Something about Tolzien being in his 4th year and players with 3 or less years being eligible.
        Will you read the link provided? Please.

        Now, what about my original post wherein there is the possibility that the Packers pay Tolzien enough to keep him on the practice squad?

        It does not have to be an either/or question. The Packers are more creative than that and have the cap space.

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        • #34
          Second, each club will be permitted to sign a maximum of two Practice Squad players who have earned no more than two accrued seasons of free agency credit. Absent this exception, a player who has earned one or more accrued seasons would not be eligible for a Practice Squad unless the player spent fewer than nine games on a club’s 46-player active list in each of his accrued seasons.
          It's a tad unclear as I'm reading it but while this is Tolzien's fourth year he was on the Packers active roster the final 8 games, which are the only games he's ever been active. On the one hand he seems to have too many accrued seasons but on the other he has never been active more than 8 games in any season...

          It does read like he'd be PS-eligible but that article summation/interpretation from ESPN may not be worded quite properly...

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          • #35
            Originally posted by CaliforniaCheez View Post
            [B]Now, what about my original post wherein there is the possibility that the Packers pay Tolzien enough to keep him on the practice squad?
            I read somewhere that San Fran's backups are struggling. Tolzien has trained in the San Fran system. Even without 49er interest, Tolzien likely would not clear waivers.

            If you continue to harp on this practice squad stuff, I'm going to ask Madtown to give you a little timeout.

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            • #36
              I think the "no more than 3 years on practice squads" trumps everything. Tolzien has had that.

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              • #37
                I think there is zero chance that Tolzien will be cut, he's made the roster. The question is only whether the Packers would keep Flynn if Tolzien beats him out.

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                • #38
                  let tolzien get most of the snaps in the next game

                  then ship him off to st. louis for a mid round pick

                  the audition was last year in games that mattered, and flynn won hands down

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                  • #39
                    We better keep both. With all of the injuries starting to mount yet again who's to say Rodgers won't be next?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by CaliforniaCheez View Post
                      Will you read the link provided? Please.

                      Now, what about my original post wherein there is the possibility that the Packers pay Tolzien enough to keep him on the practice squad?

                      It does not have to be an either/or question. The Packers are more creative than that and have the cap space.
                      It IS an either/or question regarding eligibility. He either is or is not eligible. If he doesn't qualify for PS, then pay scale is meaningless.

                      In the NFL, experience is worth more than its impact on the field. It can affect a player’s pocketbook, as well as his benefits when he leaves the game. The NFL determines the experience of its vet…


                      Accrued Seasons

                      Accrued Seasons determine a player’s free agency designations (Art. 8, Sec. 1, 34).

                      The faster one accrues seasons the faster they can reach free agency, where, especially given the addition of the Rookie Compensation Pool, the bigger money is. If a player hits free agency at a young enough age, they could secure two or three large contracts through free agency.

                      In order to accrue a season, a player must be on (or should have been on) full pay status for six or more regular season games.

                      As with players earning Credited Seasons, a player can’t accrue seasons if he is on the Exempt Commissioner Permission List, the Reserve PUP List, a team’s practice squad, or the Injured Reserve List.
                      You cannot have more than 2 and be eligible for PS even under the new rules. I think without research we can all agree Tolzien met that requirement last season.

                      Now what about 2011?

                      Week 1 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 10 K.Williams, S 38 D.Goldson, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, DT 93 I.Williams, DT 96 D.Dobbs
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                      Week 2 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 15 M.Crabtree, S 38 D.Goldson, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, DT 93 I.Williams, DT 96 D.Dobbs
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                      Week 3 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 B.Edwards, FB 44 M.Norris, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, DT 93 I.Williams, DT 96 D.Dobbs
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                      Week 4 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 B.Edwards, FB 44 M.Norris, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, DT 93 I.Williams, DT 96 D.Dobbs
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                      Week 5 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 B.Edwards, CB 26 T.Brock, FB 44 M.Norris, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, DT 90 I.Sopoaga
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                      Week 6 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 B.Edwards, CB 26 T.Brock, FB 44 M.Norris, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, NT 93 I.Williams
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                      And 2012?

                      Week 1 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 19 T.Ginn, RB 23 L.James, RB 45 B.Jacobs, G 66 J.Looney, TE 81 G.Celek, NT 93 I.Williams
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                      Week 2 Did Not Play Actives: QB 3 S.Tolzien, QB 7 C.Kaepernick, LB 51 C.Haggans
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                      Week 3 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 A.Jenkins, WR 19 T.Ginn, RB 23 L.James, RB 45 B.Jacobs, G 66 J.Looney, NT 93 I.Williams
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                      Week 4 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 A.Jenkins, RB 23 L.James, S 30 T.Robinson, RB 45 B.Jacobs, G 66 J.Looney, NT 90 I.Sopoaga
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                      Week 5 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 A.Jenkins, RB 23 L.James, S 30 T.Robinson, RB 45 B.Jacobs, G 66 J.Looney, NT 93 I.Williams
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                      Week 6 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 A.Jenkins, RB 23 L.James, S 30 T.Robinson, RB 45 B.Jacobs, G 66 J.Looney, NT 93 I.Williams
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                      That is 3 seasons at full pay for minimum of six games and on the roster, not PS, IR or other. He has earned three accrued seasons, he is not eligible for the PS even under the new rules.
                      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                        I think there is zero chance that Tolzien will be cut, he's made the roster. The question is only whether the Packers would keep Flynn if Tolzien beats him out.
                        You overestimate Tolzien IMO
                        It's not a given San Fran grabs him
                        There will be other QB's cut with higher upside
                        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                          You overestimate Tolzien IMO
                          It's not a given San Fran grabs him
                          There will be other QB's cut with higher upside
                          Because of Tolzien's history with the 49'ers, they might like him better than Yo Gabba Gabbert, who has looked pretty bad in pre-season
                          "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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                          • #43
                            Well, the good news is we'll have our answer in six days or sooner. I'd hate to have to wait much longer for that crow to be served. The taste and taunting are more bitter when fresh.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                              You overestimate Tolzien IMO
                              It's not a given San Fran grabs him
                              There will be other QB's cut with higher upside
                              Maybe one's with more experience starting (and winning) but I am not sure about upside.
                              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                              • #45
                                After his flops elsewhere, does Flynn have any value outside of the Packers? If not, would he will still be available even if they cut him? I suspect that they go with Tolzein and keep Flynn on their speed dial.

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