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[pbmax]

That's an extremely myopic perspective if so. Four minutes out of nine years does not define a coach. And extrapolating what Vince has argued, those four minutes weren't necessarily even bad play calling.

I think both these things can be true. M3 and Rodgers score an astronomical amount of points in 3 quarters. When the entire offense is made available to them, its beautiful.

I am less impressed with the 4 minute offense's construction. Its not competence, its the approach to minimizing risk.

[Smidgeon]

I think both these things can be true. M3 and Rodgers score an astronomical amount of points in 3 quarters. When the entire offense is made available to them, its beautiful.

I am less impressed with the 4 minute offense's construction. Its not competence, its the approach to minimizing risk.

I would suggest it's also competence. They have only had a running back with that kind of skill for two years. And they have only had that running back AND AR on the field when both have been healthy for roughly a year. Throw in an offensive line that's finally hitting its stride, and I could argue that they're building their competence for the 4 minute offense, but it isn't there yet.

[Pugger]

That's an extremely myopic perspective if so. Four minutes out of nine years does not define a coach. And extrapolating what Vince has argued, those four minutes weren't necessarily even bad play calling.

Yes, if the players had done their jobs and executed the plays we wouldn't be questioning things today.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I would like you or anyone else to explain what was so terrible about the playcalling. Because we ran the ball late in the game up by 12? Thats just logical. It's the weirdest paradox to me. the same section of fans seem to say aaron was sloppy and innaccurate and not himself because of his injury, yet claim McCarthy is a buffoon for not throwing the ball all over the field with 5 mins left up by 12. Can anyone explain that to me?

The subject has been talked to death in another thread(s). The gist of it is if you have to get over a brick wall to win a game, sometimes it makes sense to jump over the wall rather than keep butting your head against it.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Yes, if the players had done their jobs and executed the plays we wouldn't be questioning things today.

I agree. Lacy had three plays to get a first down after Burnett's interception. He didn't do his job and failed to execute. Fire Lacy...or maybe fire the OL. They didn't do their job either.

[yetisnowman]

The subject has been talked to death in another thread(s). The gist of it is if you have to get over a brick wall to win a game, sometimes it makes sense to jump over the wall rather than keep butting your head against it.

I get what you are saying, but at that point we were up 12 and the only points Seattle had mustered were on a trick play. Therefore it is inaccurate to say we needed to jump over the wall to win. The clock and the scoreboard were our friend. In hindsight a first down would have been great, however incompletions and especially a turnover were much worse outcomes than us running for no gain.

[th87]

2011:

NYG: Giants tie game at 35-35 with 1:02 remaining. Packers subsequently drive and kick game winning FG with 0:03 remaining.

2012:

SF: Packers score on Rodgers TD pass to make it 30-22 with 6:09 remaining. Packers defense gets a stop with 3:45 remaining. Packers subsequent drive stalls on down with 0:54 remaining, on the 49ers 45.
SEA: Packers score with 8:53 remaining to take 12-7 lead. Seahawks subsequently turn the ball over on downs with 2:00 remaining. Packers subsequently go three and out (sounds familiar), and then Fail Mary occurs.
NO: Packers go ahead 28-27 on Rodgers TD pass with 7:05 remaining. Saints drive and miss a FG with 2:54 remaining. Packers subsequently convert a first down to end the game.
IND: Colts take a 22-21 lead with 8:08 left. Subsequent Packers and Colts drives stall. On the following drive, Packers score TD and miss 2-point conversion with 4:34 remaining. Colts subsequently drive and score TD and 2-point conversion to make it 30-27 with 0:39 remaining. Packers drive to Colts 33 and miss tying FG with 0:08 left.
MIN: Down 27-24, Packers kick FG with 12:25 remaining. Vikings subsequently drive and score a TD with 8:03 left. Packers subsequently drive and score a TD with 2:57 remaining. Vikings subsequently drive and kick game winner with 0:03 left.

Whoops, missed a couple in 2012:

@DET: Lions take 20-14 lead with 4:25 remaining. Packers drive and Rodgers throws go-ahead TD with 2:02 remaining. Defense subsequently forces a turnover on downs, and Packers add another FG.
DET: Tied 17-17 going into the 4th. Packers drive and score go-ahead TD with 10:49 remaining. Packers stop subsequent Lions drive, and themselves drive for another FG. Packers make two more stops to end the game.

[smuggler]

Would be nice if the NFC championship caused McCarthy to reevaluate his conservative attitude in the 4th quarter of games.

[Smidgeon]

I agree. Lacy had three plays to get a first down after Burnett's interception. He didn't do his job and failed to execute. Fire Lacy...or maybe fire the OL. They didn't do their job either.

Running for a first down or not blocking for the first down happens in games. The other team has to play too.

Vacating your responsibilities as a blocker on the hands team for an onside kick in an attempt to be the hero that took the team to the Super Bowl? That was the biggest error. Had he kept his head down looking to block someone, no one would care about the play calling. In fact, everyone would be heralding it as the right decisions.

[th87]

2013:

@SF: 49ers take a 24-21 lead with 14:21 left. Next Packers and 49ers drives stall. On subsequent drive, Packers drive quickly to score a TD with 8:32 left. 49ers then score on subsequent drive with 5:51 remaining. Packers next drive stalls, and 49ers grind out a long drive capped off by a FG with 0:30 remaining. Subsequent Packers drive runs out of time.
@CIN: After losing a 30-21 lead, Bengals score on a fumble return to take a 34-30 lead. Packers subsequently drive to Bengals 20, where they turn it over on downs, and Bengals run out the clock.
@BAL: Ravens score to cut Packers lead to 2 (19-17) with 2:07 remaining. Packers offense then picks up first downs and runs out the clock.
@CHI: Down 28-27, Rodgers throws long TD pass to take 33-28 lead with 0:46 remaining. Defense holds to close out the game.

Playoffs:
SF: Packers kick FG to tie, 20-20, with 5:09 remaining. 49ers subsequently drive to kick game winning FG at the end of regulation.

[yetisnowman]

Would be nice if the NFC championship caused McCarthy to reevaluate his conservative attitude in the 4th quarter of games.

I doubt it, he was right to be conservative in that game with a one legged quarterback that was making poor throws and poor decisions. Now he might want to reevaluate how he is preparing people to execute in late game situations.

[th87]

2014:

@MIA: Down 24-20, the Packers receive the ball with 2:04 remaining. Packers subsequently drive and score game winning TD pass with 0:06 left.
NE: Packers score FG with 8:45 remaining to extend lead to 26-21. Packers are then able to run out the clock with good defense and picking up first downs.
@BUF: Packers receive the ball with 2:07 remaining, down 19-13. Rodgers then suffers a sack/fumble, resulting in safety, effectively ending the game.

Playoffs:
DAL: Down 21-20, Rodgers throws TD strike with 9:10 remaining. The following drive results in the Bryant non-catch by rule, and the Packers are able to drive to run out the clock.
@SEA: Seattle scores TD and 2-point conversion to go ahead 22-19 with 1:33 remaining. Packers then drive to Seahawks 30 to kick tying FG with 0:19 left. We know what happens next.

[smuggler]

Only two or so games in that stretch are due to a Rodgers choke. You can find more from Peyton and Brady easily. Nobody is perfect.

[woodbuck27]

Only two or so games in that stretch are due to a Rodgers choke. You can find more from Peyton and Brady easily. Nobody is perfect.

All analysis taken fron th87 posts in this thread>

2009... Post #364

** TB: Bucs take 31-28 lead with 4:20 remaining. Subsequent Packers and Bucs drives stall. On the next Packers drive, on 4th and 12 from their own 11, with 0:52 remaining, Rodgers throws a pick 6, which effectively ends the game.

** Playoffs: AZ: Rodgers throws TD to tie game with 2:00 remaining. Cards drive to GB 16 and miss FG with 0:14 left. Packers receive in OT, and Cards score on a Rodgers fumble return.


2010... Post #365

** WAS: Redskins tie game at 13-13 with 1:11 remaining. Packers drive to WAS 35, where Crosby misses FG. In OT, Packers and Redskins drives stall. On subsequent Packers drive, Rodgers throws INT at GB 39. Redskins drive and kick winning FG.


2013 ... Post #385

** @SF: 49ers take a 24-21 lead with 14:21 left. Next Packers and 49ers drives stall. On subsequent drive, Packers drive quickly to score a TD with 8:32 left. 49ers then score on subsequent drive with 5:51 remaining. Packers next drive stalls, and 49ers grind out a long drive capped off by a FG with 0:30 remaining. Subsequent Packers drive runs out of time. (This loss is shared with Packers 'D')

** @CIN: After losing a 30-21 lead, Bengals score on a fumble return to take a 34-30 lead. Packers subsequently drive to Bengals 20, where they turn it over on downs, and Bengals run out the clock. (most of us remember that one 'the fumble game'.)


2014 ... Post #387

** @BUF: Packers receive the ball with 2:07 remaining, down 19-13. Rodgers then suffers a sack/fumble, resulting in safety, effectively ending the game.

That's then 'only' six games in six seasons that are on ...or 'partially on' Aaron Rodgers and the Packers Offense.

[Pugger]

Would be nice if the NFC championship caused McCarthy to reevaluate his conservative attitude in the 4th quarter of games.

And who's to say it hasn't?