JS ARTICLE "WITH SB IN SIGHT< RODGERS DOES NOT DELIVER

[Freak Out]

The Packers with a healthy Rodgers destroys the Chickens in that game.. My take.

[Freak Out]

What has changed is that defenses have adjusted to this offense since late 2011 and its still not clear the Packers have adjusted (though there have been signs) and the changing of the receiver corp has meant that it seems possible now to game plan the Packer passing attack away with a talented Defense.

And as mentioned above by Joe, the idea that you need to "get back" to pinpoint passing by looking off Troy Polamalu and throwing it behind his earhole is great, if your leg was functioning.

This is just trolling.

There are things he has to work on. He still doesn't look short fast enough, and he still holds onto the ball too long while rarely throwing it away. And something in their audible system has gone awry, I saw Rodgers check into more bad runs this year than ever before. But this is a team issue, not a QB issue.

The fact of the matter is that Dom Capers has out-coordinated McCarthy at the end of the season two years in a row.

Dom for HC.

[pbmax]

Originally Posted by woodbuck27

" The worst defeat in Green Bay Packer history" woodbuck27

I withdraw that remark as it would be a mere opinion.


As to the rest of it:

Last Sunday It was reported that the Green Bay Packers suffered the worst comeback in NFC Championship history.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?27567-Worst-Packer-playoff-loss-ever

The above says that 12 of 17 Packerrats feel last Sundays collapse in Seattle was the worst playoff loss of 8 prominent losses in the Packers more recent history.

I suffered through the Packers history following Super Bowls I and II. I'm certainly well aware of many poor performances before the team won another Super Bowl or Super Bowl XXXI. That was almost 3 decades of disappointment.

45 years of fan memories is impressive. But it also skips the 45 years before that. And there has been somewhere between 42 and 46 NFC Championship games. Really small sample size.

As for the 12 of 17, a survey immediately after the game is a terrible way to put a loss into perspective.

But, in terms of the article, the rank of terribleness in this loss is immaterial to the main point. Rodgers poor play is indicative of several things. Its not indicative that he needs to be an even bigger part of the team.

[Pugger]

Pugger you won't get jumped on here because too many see it as you do. The trouble is you cannot will things away. It is exactly what it is.

This has been reported:

The Green Bay Packers suffered the greatest collapse in the second half, in NFC Championship history last Sunday in Seattle.

If you can disprove that please come back to us with the proof.



** "Do you believe this loss will prevent Rodgers from the HOF?" Pugger

I don't believe this loss is a defining event that will necessarily cause Aaron Rodgers from being legitimately in the conversation as a future NFL HOF candidate.



** " Do you think he even belongs with what he has accomplished thus far if he were to retire today seeing his record in the post season isn't all that stellar outside of 2010? " Pugger

Aaron Rodgers and retiring today isn't realistic as a topic of discussion. His contract and a chance for redemption after this ugly loss is all that Aaron Rodgers needs to come back next season.

As his playoff record stands at present, Aaron Rodgers needs to demonstrate more accomplishment to make the NFL HOF.



** " These are not pertinent questions at all. " Pugger

Excuse me but if the questions aren't pertinent why ask them in your post?

It may have been the biggest collapse in NFCC history but was it the worst in team history? I'd say December 7, 1980. The Chicago Bears beat Green Bay 61 - 7 was worse.

Am I understanding you correctly that you don't think right now if something happened to Rodgers and he had to retire tomorrow he hasn't accomplished enough to make the HOF?

Perhaps pertinent was the wrong adjective. I guess I meant I wasn't being cheeky asking these questions.

[mraynrand]

It's hard to see how the loss can be blamed significantly on Rodgers. Let's review. Packers are up by 12 and McCarthy calls two runs and pass to Q. Runs go nowhere and q drops a defensed pass. Rodgers doesn't see the ball again until the packers are down by three with about a minute left. Rodgers just leads them to a tying FG to force OT and never sees the ball again.

Could Rodgers have played better to put Seattle away earlier? I suppose, but many of the play calls were taken out of his hand - many red zone runs and no fourth down attempts. Plus, he was injured.

Because he's the QB, he'll shoulder more blame, but an objective analysis of the game shows he only contributed in part to the loss, and probably a lot less than poor defense and STs in the last 5 minutes and OT, and a lot less than play calling choices.

Generally, I think a game like this is more of a Rorschach test for fans. The more emotive fans will generally heap blame on Rodgers because they really don't understand football and/or are of very low mental wattage.

[Bretsky]

I'd WAY rather lose 61-7 then what went down in Seattle

[woodbuck27]

It may have been the biggest collapse in NFCC history but was it the worst in team history? I'd say December 7, 1980. The Chicago Bears beat Green Bay 61 - 7 was worse.

Am I understanding you correctly that you don't think right now if something happened to Rodgers and he had to retire tomorrow he hasn't accomplished enough to make the HOF?

Perhaps pertinent was the wrong adjective. I guess I meant I wasn't being cheeky asking these questions.

I'm not going to research 'the worst loss' in Green Bay Packers history. As I've already posted. Last Sundays collapse in Seattle wasn't the worst loss for the Packers; yet the worst defense of a solid lead in NFC Championship history since records have been kept on that.


" Am I understanding you correctly that you don't think right now if something happened to Rodgers and he had to retire tomorrow he hasn't accomplished enough to make the HOF? " Pugger

You don't get in the HOF on a sympathy vote or for quitting the game early. You get in the NFL HOF because your resume shouts HOF.

Aaron Rodgers hasn't accomplished enough to get into the NFL HOF. Again that's an opinion which is moot as he will continue as the Green Bay Packers QB.

[pbmax]

I'd WAY rather lose 61-7 then what went down in Seattle

That's because you are off your meds.

Also because its not your job to build a decent team

[Bretsky]

A 61-7 loss in a regular season game is a Fart in the Wind compared to the worst playoff collapse I've ever witnessed when a win meant a Super Bowl Birth

[Joemailman]

A 61-7 loss in a regular season game is a Fart in the Wind compared to the worst playoff collapse I've ever witnessed when a win meant a Super Bowl Birth

Yep. 61-7 was embarrassing, but just another loss for a lousy Packer team.

[Pugger]

I'm not going to research 'the worst loss' in Green Bay Packers history. As I've already posted. Last Sundays collapse in Seattle wasn't the worst loss for the Packers; yet the worst defense of a solid lead in NFC Championship history since records have been kept on that.


" Am I understanding you correctly that you don't think right now if something happened to Rodgers and he had to retire tomorrow he hasn't accomplished enough to make the HOF? " Pugger

You don't get in the HOF on a sympathy vote or for quitting the game early. You get in the NFL HOF because your resume shouts HOF.

Aaron Rodgers hasn't accomplished enough to get into the NFL HOF. Again that's an opinion which is moot as he will continue as the Green Bay Packers QB.

What in the hell are you talking about? When did Rodgers quit? I'm talking about the off chance he is forced to retire tomorrow because of injury. Good lord Woody. Aaron has said he'd love to play until he's 40 if he could.

He has the best regular season QB rating in NFL history, has the best INT to TD ratio, is a SB champ and SB MVP and will be a 2 time league MVP. IMO that is plenty to get him into the HOF should his career end today.

[Pugger]

Yep. 61-7 was embarrassing, but just another loss for a lousy Packer team.

All I meant was that was the worst loss in our franchise's history not including the post season.

[Maxie the Taxi]

McGinn also does not mention that with the score 19-7 McCarthy took the ball out of Rodgers' hands. By the time Rodgers got the ball back, the Packers were down 22-19. He then led the Packers 48 yards in just over a minute for the tying field goal, completing 3-5 passes for 36 yards and limping for a 12 yard run.

+1

[Maxie the Taxi]

Packers are up by 12 and McCarthy calls two runs and pass to Q. Runs go nowhere and q drops a defensed pass. Rodgers doesn't see the ball again until the packers are down by three with about a minute left. Rodgers just leads them to a tying FG to force OT and never sees the ball again.

+1

[red]

yeah, a-rod was off in the first half, but his coach didn't let him do a whole hell of a lot in the second half until the last drive