Official Packers vs. Chargers Game Day Thread

[Freak Out]

The week off couldn't come at a better time. How bad is Monty hurt? If he is out for awhile they are screwed.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The week off couldn't come at a better time. How bad is Monty hurt? If he is out for awhile they are screwed.

You can't judge Abby until he has been given some playing time. Adams will be back.

[yetisnowman]

Aggression is the issue. You don't play differently - modify play to kill the clock - outside of 5 minutes.
You don't call a player "dumb" for not going down in such an ambiguous situation.




It doesn't matter if 25 years go by! That is not the relevant time period. Think it through.

You keep changing the argument. First only a few seconds were wasted so it's not enough time to matter, now ok 25 seconds but it still doesn't matter. Of course it matters. I think you are being stubborn. He didn't gain any yards by going out of bounds and he stopped the clock. Maybe a stretch to call it dumb, but certainly the smarter play after getting the first down would be to keep the clock moving since stopping it gave you no more yardage than staying in bounds would have.

[Harlan Huckleby]

it gave you no more yardage than staying in bounds would have.

I don't know, don't have perfect memory of the play. I'm not going to second guess a split-second decision in those circumstances - being aggressive means following instincts. Inside five minutes, we are in brain-fart territory because implications are clear.

[yetisnowman]

I don't know, don't have perfect memory of the play. I'm not going to second guess a split-second decision in those circumstances - being aggressive means following instincts. Inside five minutes, we are in brain-fart territory because implications are clear.

I'm telling you that watching the play live, and on replay that is pretty clear. Check it out. It's a not a huge deal because we won the game and it's October. But little things like being savvy about the clock and making smart split-second decisions can be the difference in winning and losing. Hell SD's final play occurred with 20 seconds left with zero timeouts.

[Harlan Huckleby]

First only a few seconds were wasted so it's not enough time to matter, now ok 25 seconds but it still doesn't matter.

No, that was not the point. When the runner goes out of bounds, it doesn't matter whether it takes 25 seconds or 25 years to put ball in play because that is not relevant time window, the clock is stopped. What matters is time when they are inbounds. The refs are going to take their time when clock is not running.

[yetisnowman]

No, that was not the point. When the runner goes out of bounds, it doesn't matter whether it takes 25 seconds or 25 years to put ball in play because that is not relevant time window, the clock is stopped. What matters is time when they are inbounds. The refs are going to take their time when clock is not running.

There is no way they get the ball set in less than 10 seconds more like 15-20. U keep shifting the point of contention. He should have stayed in bounds. That was the smarter play.

[sharpe1027]

There is no way they get the ball set in less than 10 seconds more like 15-20. U keep shifting the point of contention. He should have stayed in bounds. That was the smarter play.

More time would have run off the clock, which probably would have helped. I have a few minor issues with making anything out of that though.

1) I think that he was trying to hurdle the tackler and keep going, he wasn't trying to run out of bounds.
2) With that much time left and the way they were moving the ball, it is hard to know whether running of the extra time would help or hurt. Sure, on average it would help, but the value of running clock was still relatively low.
3) Cutting back in to take on a tackler coming full blast from the side is a fumble waiting to happen. I think he actually fumbled it after the hit, so we are lucky he went out of bounds.

[pbmax]

First of all you choose to say 7 minutes.....interesting, there was 6:05 when RR went out of bounds. Also he didn't gain any yards by jumping out of bounds, he could have lowered his head, stayed in bounds and gained as much if not maybe more, so aggression wasn't the issue. And you have repeatedly stated that the clock only stops for a few seconds, well I timed it and 25 seconds went by between him going out of bounds and the game clock starting again. on a play where you are nursing a lead and just got a first down I'd say that is significant. It's fundamental clock management, it's ok to be wrong about this one buddy. Maybe watch the play again?

If you have the first down and the lead, you can also save yourself and just fall down or slide. Only time not to do that is near FG range.

[sharpe1027]

If you have the first down and the lead, you can also save yourself and just fall down or slide. Only time not to do that is near FG range.

In the open field with enough time, sure. Sprinting down the sidelines as a ~250 guy not known for his agility, not necessarily as simple as it sounds. I am not disagreeing that in theory it is the right thing to do. I just think it is a very picky point to be making.

[pbmax]

In the open field with enough time, sure. Sprinting down the sidelines as a ~250 guy not known for his agility, not necessarily as simple as it sounds. I am not disagreeing that in theory it is the right thing to do. I just think it is a very picky point to be making.

I am aware. I was just hoping during the play, since he has time to secure the first down and prepare to get swarmed by three guys, that he would choose to go down in bounds. Even if it only saves 10 seconds, you do that three times and suddenly SD is calling TOs outside the red zone.

[yetisnowman]

I am aware. I was just hoping during the play, since he has time to secure the first down and prepare to get swarmed by three guys, that he would choose to go down in bounds. Even if it only saves 10 seconds, you do that three times and suddenly SD is calling TOs outside the red zone.

Exactly. Like I said it was a stretch to say that was dumb, or even a blunder. But I think it's reasonable to expect a lot of guys to make the heady play there with the game winding down. Also RR's lack of agility seems to me to be a good reason to not try to hurdle 2 defenders when clearly he would land out of bounds and take the much more risky route, potentially as it relates to being injured.

[mraynrand]

honestly, someone is giving Rodgers a hard time for going out of bounds? If I recall, SD had plenty of time and three TOs. Given how poorly the O was playing, it's a miracle they moved the ball and scored points in the second half, let alone tried to dictate the clock late in the game.

[pbmax]

honestly, someone is giving Rodgers a hard time for going out of bounds? If I recall, SD had plenty of time and three TOs. Given how poorly the O was playing, it's a miracle they moved the ball and scored points in the second half, let alone tried to dictate the clock late in the game.

Someone needed to make a play. And that play was to fall down.

We're not killing him for it. Just wishing it had happened.

Mainly Harlan is killing me for not knowing that they restart the game clock on OOB plays after the ref sets the ball on the hash before 5 minutes left in game.

[mraynrand]

Someone needed to make a play. And that play was to fall down.

but given the circumstances, it probably doesn't help you all that much. When your offense can barely make any plays at all, you're not sitting there thinking about milking the clock, you're just hoping to God you can actually get a first down and maybe get in scoring range.