McGinn trashes Packer leaders, Rob Davis, Packers fans and WI media

[pbmax]

^ I am not even sure Bob has that actual attitude. He is just taking advantage of the situation to embarrass as many people as possible to elevate himself.

This season or media mergers has brought out some great and some terrible coverage. We need restructured incentives.

[pbmax]

This Tweet makes more sense, and is far more concise, than the entire column.

Bob McGinn @BobMcGinn 7m7 minutes ago
Contrary to their image, #Packers add problem players just like majority of other teams ... http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...339139291.html …

Though its far from clear whether the media buy the image more than the fans. Remember they all thought Darren Sharper and Chewy were lovely guys.

[Patler]

Jersey Al - GBP @JerseyAlGBP 29m29 minutes ago
"Under Bob's sudden high morality criteria, the Pack probably should have cut their alcoholic & drug addicted QB circa 1996..."

Jersey Al - GBP @JerseyAlGBP 31m31 minutes ago
Comments on McGinn's post: "I have yet to read an article bashing the Brewers for taking a guy like Ryan Braun back."

Both, excellent comments.

[Striker]

Ryan Rodig @ryanrodigwfrv Oct 28
Twice this week a #Packers OL cut off interviews or waited until a specific reporter left before continuing. Not happy w/ Guion story

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Ryan Rodig @ryanrodigwfrv Oct 28
Twice this week a #Packers OL cut off interviews or waited until a specific reporter left before continuing. Not happy w/ Guion story

seems like the packers organization needs to realize that the media does not work for the team, even though the local media has been pretty much in the teams back pocket until mcginns article

wisconsin media has let a lot of things go in the past with the team, and pissing them off might not be the best idea

brett favre would probably be looked at in a much different light today if the media had reported on half of his exploits in northern wisconsin and the UP during his career

[Patler]

In some ways the Packers are very different than other businesses, in other ways they are no different than other businesses. When a business has an issue of high profile, it is not uncommon for them to back away from dealing with members of the media they feel lack objectivity. If they refuse to deal with JSO reporters, maybe they do in fact feel the article lacked objectivity, even factual honesty. Maybe MM's selection of the term "garbage" was a calculated response intended to convey the organizations true feelings.

[ThunderDan]

seems like the packers organization needs to realize that the media does not work for the team, even though the local media has been pretty much in the teams back pocket until mcginns article

wisconsin media has let a lot of things go in the past with the team, and pissing them off might not be the best idea

brett favre would probably be looked at in a much different light today if the media had reported on half of his exploits in northern wisconsin and the UP during his career

And downtown Milwaukee.

[pbmax]

In some ways the Packers are very different than other businesses, in other ways they are no different than other businesses. When a business has an issue of high profile, it is not uncommon for them to back away from dealing with members of the media they feel lack objectivity. If they refuse to deal with JSO reporters, maybe they do in fact feel the article lacked objectivity, even factual honesty. Maybe MM's selection of the term "garbage" was a calculated response intended to convey the organizations true feelings.

Not sure I see M3 in that role, but even if he was, we are a week in and no other favorable outlet has gotten the "real" scoop. Not even Rapapport. Seems more like stonewalling.

[mraynrand]

In a few years, we'll have Stubby's emails and everything will be clear.

[Patler]

Not sure I see M3 in that role, but even if he was, we are a week in and no other favorable outlet has gotten the "real" scoop. Not even Rapapport. Seems more like stonewalling.

Could very well be. I think one of the problems the organization has is that all of a sudden, with the Packers having had a tremendous start to their season, JS brings up a story that was known early last July. The ex and her boyfriend filed the lawsuit, which was reported all over. The charges from a couple years earlier, and the fact they were dropped were reported. Guion's attorney said the charges were dismissed because the incident as reported never happened, and suspected that the civil lawsuit filed now, years later, was a simple attempted money grab because of Guion's recent run in with the law. Why didn't the JS dig into it then? Why wait and throw it up in the middle of the season? What is there motive for waiting 5 months? They portray the allegations as factual reports of what happened. I do not doubt that something happened, but for the prosecution to flat out drop the charges leads me to believe it may not have been as alleged. Maybe that is where MM saw "garbage"?

It was a very uncharacteristic response from MM. He is well experienced in dealing with players screwing up, the list of his own players is long. Yet this one caused him to react differently. Why is that?

There are a lot of inconsistencies in this.

[pbmax]

Could very well be. I think one of the problems the organization has is that all of a sudden, with the Packers having had a tremendous start to their season, JS brings up a story that was known early last July. The ex and her boyfriend filed the lawsuit, which was reported all over. The charges from a couple years earlier, and the fact they were dropped were reported. Guion's attorney said the charges were dismissed because the incident as reported never happened, and suspected that the civil lawsuit filed now, years later, was a simple attempted money grab because of Guion's recent run in with the law. Why didn't the JS dig into it then? Why wait and throw it up in the middle of the season? What is there motive for waiting 5 months? They portray the allegations as factual reports of what happened. I do not doubt that something happened, but for the prosecution to flat out drop the charges leads me to believe it may not have been as alleged. Maybe that is where MM saw "garbage"?

It was a very uncharacteristic response from MM. He is well experienced in dealing with players screwing up, the list of his own players is long. Yet this one caused him to react differently. Why is that?

There are a lot of inconsistencies in this.

The dropped charges were part of a plea bargain for deferred prosecution and a fine. He pled to less, and if he stayed clean for six months the more serious charges disappear. I don't think the charging is mysterious.

Given how the original event went unreported for so long (original battery charge and plea bargain) and never widely circulated before the suit, it seems that no one on the other side pushed to make a stink until the lawsuit.

The folks most inclined to cooperate with whatever investigation JSO launched (did it get shelved after Dunne left for Buffalo and the new guy was hired?) are the former girlfriend and her new boyfriend. At any point prior to the lawsuit, if they were promised a payment after the matter was pled, they may have declined to speak. Once they had to file suit to receive money, they have another calculation to make whether going public makes sense. Giving that she is not the focus of the reporting, I am not sure they ever cooperated with reporters.

I exchanged messages with Silverstein after Guion's offseason brush with drug and gun charges. Silverstein share the county's website listing the charges and after the plea it was hard to tell what he pled to. One reading was he pled no contest and all was dropped. But after he checked, Spoon said it was a no contest plea, charges dropped and new, lesser ones entered and accepted.

My guess would be that whatever threw them off the scent of his record last year when the lawsuit was launched was ignored once they got to digging into his actual police record in FLA.

[sharpe1027]

Sooo, should the Packers cut any player with a criminal record? Where is the line for those complaining? Isn't that what the NFL head office takes care of with their suspensions? Are the Packers supposed to play by different rule from every other team? Not really understanding what the uproar is about here.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Whatever, can't believe I clicked on the link to give him a higher amount of readership on the article.

[mraynrand]

Sooo, should the Packers cut any player with a criminal record? Where is the line for those complaining? Isn't that what the NFL head office takes care of with their suspensions? Are the Packers supposed to play by different rule from every other team? Not really understanding what the uproar is about here.

The uproar is that McGinn is selling a partial fiction that Packer fans and Packer org only take 'Packer people' but that the Packers are as corrupt as every other team (according to McGinn's sensibilities) with the exception of a small few, and all this is despite McGinn showing no actual comparisons with which to measure relative corruption and hypocrisy.

[mraynrand]

Go insane