Now we get to see if MM's is right.

[mraynrand]

If Monty and Lacy are back it won't be that bad. More like Dikes 27 - Pack 17.

Even if Lacy is back, he won't be a back - too fat and not enough holes to run through. Monty solve problems? Don't think so - again, the O-line (specifically the tackle position) is surrendering at the snap. And it seems to be spreading to the interior line.

[pbmax]

This week was suppose to be the turnaround...

Not according to my crystal ball. M3 is still waiting for Monty to show up. This week demonstrated Adams alone isn't enough.

[mraynrand]

McCarthy's stubborn loyalty to his system and his way is what is destroying this team. He believes he can do the same thing game in and game out and win...because he's been blessed to have Favre and Rodgers under center for him.

Give McCarthy an average QB, and his team would never win more than 6 games in this league.

except that McCarthy made the QB. You can't have it both ways. Stubby is Stubby. He seems to be extremely Stubby right now, but anything he's doing is being sabotaged from multiple angles - O-line, RB, skittish QB, slogging and sluggish WRs.

[pbmax]

you mean back when his offenses were very average?

his rankings as offensive coordinator were 10th, 10th, 19th, 11th, 15th, 32nd in overall yards

10th, 13th, 3rd, 14th, 14th, 30th in points scored

rushing 8th, 18th, 17th, 11th, 27th, and 17th

passing 14th, 10th, 16th, 8th, 12th, 32nd

stellar

the guy got his job because of who he knew and his coaching tree, not because of his prior success

He did that with Aaron "Freaking" Brooks. And with Jim "Not Ready For Prime Time" Haslett as HC. Those numbers are magic.

[mraynrand]

Not according to my crystal ball. M3 is still waiting for Monty to show up. This week demonstrated Adams alone isn't enough.

But abracadabra was there - getting open versus slot and 4/5 db. Can he do that at MN and keep it close?

[denverYooper]

But abracadabra was there - getting open versus slot and 4/5 db. Can he do that at MN and keep it close?

If he can stay on the field, he might be interesting.

Let's just hope Rodgers doesn't get him brained again

[Rutnstrut]

I wonder if Rodgers is, A- hiding an injury, or B- gun shy about getting injured again and holding back slightly? He just isn't playing anywhere near the level he has in the past. I have always believed Rodgers wasn't "clutch". But this isn't even that, he's just off.

[pbmax]

But abracadabra was there - getting open versus slot and 4/5 db. Can he do that at MN and keep it close?

He was getting open and its probably not a coincidence that the offense started having bigger plays when he started to see the ball. But if he has hurt his back or neck or shoulder, then he might not be available.

Which reminds me of something. The Packers used to be able to compete passes no matter what, because their 3rd and 4th WR were better than your 3rd and 4th CB. Not exactly the case this year until Adams and one of Abby/Monty are back.

And that is the only other place I find fault with McCarthy's offensive coaching. 4 minute offense and tailoring an offense to talent different than expected in the offseason. Unlike the Patriots, it doesn't seem like a system that can have its emphasis changed in a couple of weeks.

[Rutnstrut]

He was getting open and its probably not a coincidence that the offense started having bigger plays when he started to see the ball. But if he has hurt his back or neck or shoulder, then he might not be available.

Which reminds me of something. The Packers used to be able to compete passes no matter what, because their 3rd and 4th WR were better than your 3rd and 4th CB. Not exactly the case this year until Adams and one of Abby/Monty are back.

And that is the only other place I find fault with McCarthy's offensive coaching. 4 minute offense and tailoring an offense to talent different than expected in the offseason. Unlike the Patriots, it doesn't seem like a system that can have its emphasis changed in a couple of weeks.

Why can't they change their emphasis week to week? That's just suicide in the NFL, that's relying on little to no injuries. We all know that doesn't happen in GB, so you would think they would have adequate back up plans. It's just asking for failure to HOPE things will go as scripted and be inflexible.

[Patler]

MM has kept is "buddies" on the coaching staff. If he's unwilling to let someone go, then count me in as one who wants to see him go.

He has fired more staff than any HC I can think of. He fired his entire defensive staff except Moss, he forced one STC into retirement and fired another. He fired ST assistants several times. He has fired a strength and conditioning coordinator, and I think one assistant.

His problem isn't firing people, it's choosing those to hire, and promote.

[pbmax]

Why can't they change their emphasis week to week? That's just suicide in the NFL, that's relying on little to no injuries. We all know that doesn't happen in GB, so you would think they would have adequate back up plans. It's just asking for failure to HOPE things will go as scripted and be inflexible.

Lack of TEs doesn't help currently. But mainly its that the different flavors of Stubby's offense take time to switch out and reload. Its a big strike offense. NE will beat you to death with a jeweler's hammer.

Belichick has developed an offense (after his first two Super Bowl wins Charlie Weiss) that is a chameleon which can feature anyone of 3 different players in the passing game and it can all be short stuff with only Gronk and one WR going long.

M3 is somewhat inhibited by the WCO offense and bigger receivers (and no TE). When Monty comes back, he and Cobb can play games out of the backfield and get mismatches like Edelman and Amendola.

[mraynrand]

I wonder if Rodgers is, A- hiding an injury, or B- gun shy about getting injured again and holding back slightly? He just isn't playing anywhere near the level he has in the past. I have always believed Rodgers wasn't "clutch". But this isn't even that, he's just off.

I think Rodgers is a little off - lack of synch and confidence in receivers - and it's being made much worse due to the failures of the O-line and Lacy (fat) questionable, being severely diminished/out.

[mraynrand]

Lack of TEs doesn't help currently. But mainly its that the different flavors of Stubby's offense take time to switch out and reload. Its a big strike offense. NE will beat you to death with a jeweler's hammer.

Belichick has developed an offense (after his first two Super Bowl wins Charlie Weiss) that is a chameleon which can feature anyone of 3 different players in the passing game and it can all be short stuff with only Gronk and one WR going long.

M3 is somewhat inhibited by the WCO offense and bigger receivers (and no TE). When Monty comes back, he and Cobb can play games out of the backfield and get mismatches like Edelman and Amendola.

Perillo, Abracadabra and Monty may save the season - if - and it's a big if - the O-line can recover.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Perillo, Abracadabra and Monty may save the season - if - and it's a big if - the O-line can recover.

Recanting your 0 and 6 prediction already?

[mraynrand]

Recanting your 0 and 6 prediction already?

? I don't recall. I did predict 9-7 for the season, but I thought it's be the defense collapsing.