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  • Maybe Our Problem Is Talent, Or Lack Of It

    These last three games have been disheartening to say the least. We're all trying to put our fingers on the problem. Here's a thought? Maybe our players aren't as good as their billing?

    Take offense, for instance. Our skill players RB, WR's and TE our generally worse than their counterparts on opposing teams, especially since Jordy is out for the season. Is Lacy hurt, too fat or just no good. Either way I'd rather have any RB in our division now instead of him. Our WR's cannot defeat man coverage. We're screaming for Janis and Abby but the coaches deem their play sporadic and inconsistent. Our TE is marginal both speedwise and blocking wise. Our QB is running for his life and "scared", so his All Pro stature is neutralized.

    Our OLine is nothing special, especially compared to last year when half of them were injured. The good OLinemen we have are neutralized by the putrid play of the worst ones. Bak sucks. Bulaga seems to have lost some mobility. Linsley is adequate. Sitton and Lang, as a result, are overshadowed.

    All Pro's on Offense: Possibly Sitton, Maybe Arod.

    Take Defense...Our Defensive Line has a group of adequate players. Daniels and Raji are above avg. but not All Pros. Pennel and Jones have potential, but are inconsistent.

    Our LB's are average except for Mathews, who can't do everything and has become a Jack of all trades and master of none. Peppers is good when he's good, but he's good less often. The rest are avg or below or players with potential.

    Our Secondary is shakey. HaHa and Randall are above average young players. Burnett is avg or above. Shields may be a victim of his surroundings. Hayward seems to have regressed. Hyde is the best of our avg. players.

    All Pros on Defense? Mathews?

    Special Teams? Our Punter used to be avg. Now he's below. Crosby? You tell me.

    Am I wrong, or just the victim of disappointment after a nasty loss?
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

  • #2
    It can't be lack of talent, TT has hand picked these guys.

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    • #3
      It isn't lack of talent. The offensive scheme is setting up our team to fail. On 3rd and short, we can always count for them to throw a 50 yard bomb. The Patriots have no more talent than Green Bay on offense...yet they dominate because their offensive brain trust is better at understanding how to attack opposing defenses. McCarthy merely relies on having an elite QB to get him out of trouble. He always has. He has no ability to craft a game plan that actively attacks an opposing defense's warts.
      It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rutnstrut View Post
        It can't be lack of talent, TT has hand picked these guys.
        Well, TT has definitely made educated calls, some of which haven't turned out exactly as expected.

        For example, he let Jennings and Jones go, expecting Jordy, Cobb and a group of young draftees to keep our WR corps elite. The problem is he wasn't expecting Jordy and Cobb to get hurt and the younger guys less capable.

        He revamped our secondary and drafted a bunch of high calibre guys, one of whom is becoming a starter, but the others are very green. Plus, he wasn't expecting Shields to be injured and Hayward to regress.

        He ignored our difficiencies at ILB in free agency and the draft. He was expecting guys on the roster to pick up the slack. He wasn't expecting Barrington to be injured and the others not to produce consistently. Not to mention Mathews being forced to do way more than expected.

        As a result, the strengths of this team became liabilities or areas for opposing teams to exploit.
        One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
        John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
          Well, TT has definitely made educated calls, some of which haven't turned out exactly as expected.

          For example, he let Jennings and Jones go, expecting Jordy, Cobb and a group of young draftees to keep our WR corps elite. The problem is he wasn't expecting Jordy and Cobb to get hurt and the younger guys less capable.

          He revamped our secondary and drafted a bunch of high calibre guys, one of whom is becoming a starter, but the others are very green. Plus, he wasn't expecting Shields to be injured and Hayward to regress.

          He ignored our difficiencies at ILB in free agency and the draft. He was expecting guys on the roster to pick up the slack. He wasn't expecting Barrington to be injured and the others not to produce consistently. Not to mention Mathews being forced to do way more than expected.

          As a result, the strengths of this team became liabilities or areas for opposing teams to exploit.
          The one thing he COULD know is that his DC and head coach are pretty much worthless.

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          • #6
            i mentioned before that idea that our secondary players aren't progressing much if at all in the pros

            haha, might be too early to tell, but he doesn't look that much better then he did last year

            i don't think burnett has improved much since his rookie year

            shields was the surprise stud of his training camp and played decent as a rookie, but hasn't continued to improve since maybe his second year

            hayward is worse now then he was as a rookie

            hyde hasn't improved since he was a rookie and might have regressed

            it almost seems to me like they are who they are when we get them, and don't grow much after we have them

            players are suppose to get better with age early on, not worse

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Rutnstrut View Post
              The one thing he COULD know is that his DC and head coach are pretty much worthless.
              The defense played very well today, considering the offense went 3 and out about 80% of the time.
              It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by King Friday View Post
                It isn't lack of talent. The offensive scheme is setting up our team to fail. On 3rd and short, we can always count for them to throw a 50 yard bomb. The Patriots have no more talent than Green Bay on offense...yet they dominate because their offensive brain trust is better at understanding how to attack opposing defenses. McCarthy merely relies on having an elite QB to get him out of trouble. He always has. He has no ability to craft a game plan that actively attacks an opposing defense's warts.
                NE has "no more talent than GB?" I disagree. Their skilled positions: Gronk at TE; Edelman, Amendola, LaFell; QB Brady. Right now these guys are better than our guys. Arguably their defense is equal to or better than our guys.

                Add to this that they are more smartly coached and game planned and it's a real problem.
                One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                • #9
                  Gronk is the difference maker, but the Packer receivers are better talents. How they are being used is a different question. LaFell is their deep threat for Pete's sake. Carolina didn't want him.

                  No one let Jennings go, he turned down a better offer because he expected to get paid in a big way and was hurt. And then couldn't swallow his pride. I don't think anyone wanted Jennings to come back after the attitude he pulled.

                  Jones is displaying exactly why he was let go.
                  Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                    Gronk is the difference maker, but the Packer receivers are better talents. How they are being used is a different question. LaFell is their deep threat for Pete's sake. Carolina didn't want him.

                    No one let Jennings go, he turned down a better offer because he expected to get paid in a big way and was hurt. And then couldn't swallow his pride. I don't think anyone wanted Jennings to come back after the attitude he pulled.

                    Jones is displaying exactly why he was let go.
                    Jones is still better at what he does than anyone they have tried to replace him with.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rutnstrut View Post
                      Jones is still better at what he does than anyone they have tried to replace him with.
                      Adams was at least open, even if he was dropping too many and Rodgers was inaccurate too often.
                      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                        Gronk is the difference maker, but the Packer receivers are better talents. How they are being used is a different question. LaFell is their deep threat for Pete's sake. Carolina didn't want him.

                        No one let Jennings go, he turned down a better offer because he expected to get paid in a big way and was hurt. And then couldn't swallow his pride. I don't think anyone wanted Jennings to come back after the attitude he pulled.

                        Jones is displaying exactly why he was let go.
                        I know it's just two games, but NE just pulled off what the Packers couldn't and Edelman wasn't playing. PK kicked a 54 yarder to win. Brady, Gronk and Amendola were the difference-makers and Brady was under a constant heavy rush.
                        One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                        John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
                          I know it's just two games, but NE just pulled off what the Packers couldn't and Edelman wasn't playing. PK kicked a 54 yarder to win. Brady, Gronk and Amendola were the difference-makers and Brady was under a constant heavy rush.
                          If Crosby hits the FG, would you think differently about the teams? Giants haven't been lighting it up this year.
                          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
                            I know it's just two games, but NE just pulled off what the Packers couldn't and Edelman wasn't playing. PK kicked a 54 yarder to win. Brady, Gronk and Amendola were the difference-makers and Brady was under a constant heavy rush.
                            Edelman wasn't the only starter the Pat's were missing. The thing is they don't use it as an excuse like the Packers do.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by King Friday View Post
                              The defense played very well today, considering the offense went 3 and out about 80% of the time.
                              I thought so too. They're not built to keep the team hanging around until the offense can piece together some drives, but that's how they've been operating.
                              When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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