Maybe Our Problem Is Talent, Or Lack Of It

[pbmax]

Tramontana Williams was a product of this coaching staff. Burnett had his best year last year. Someone had to teach Shields how to play CB since he did it for what, one or two years in college? Nick Collins became an All Pro under them.

Hayward, if he has trended downward might have been done in by injuries. HHCD did well at safety last year, this year he has been playing musical partners there.

The coaches I worry the least about are back there.

i mentioned before that idea that our secondary players aren't progressing much if at all in the pros

haha, might be too early to tell, but he doesn't look that much better then he did last year

i don't think burnett has improved much since his rookie year

shields was the surprise stud of his training camp and played decent as a rookie, but hasn't continued to improve since maybe his second year

hayward is worse now then he was as a rookie

hyde hasn't improved since he was a rookie and might have regressed

it almost seems to me like they are who they are when we get them, and don't grow much after we have them

players are suppose to get better with age early on, not worse

[mraynrand]

I've said in other threads, the Packers don't have a ton of mainline talent, that is All Pro guys. Maybe 2-3 max. They have a lot of upper middle talent, and to be effective (that is, compete for a championship) they all have to be available and playing at their top level. The O-line at tackle has crashed and burned, and the interior is so-so.

[Maxie the Taxi]

If Crosby hits the FG, would you think differently about the teams? Giants haven't been lighting it up this year.

Are you kidding? Crosby's field goal had nothing to do with the Packers' performance today, one way or the other they were baaaaad. However, the thing is Crosby didn't hit the field goal. I didn't watch all of the Pats game so I can't make an exact comparison. Just based on past performance, I'd rather have their offense than ours right now.

[mraynrand]

Adams was at least open, even if he was dropping too many and Rodgers was inaccurate too often.

There's plenty of upside there with Adams. And Adams got abused a bit, leading to him being 'less open/more held.' It's hard to believe a visiting team got away with what they did. Again, not saying the outcome changes, just that it was odd to see what was allowed in today's NFL.

[Rutnstrut]

If Crosby hits the FG, would you think differently about the teams? Giants haven't been lighting it up this year.

The Giants may not have been lighting it up this year, but they are still better than the Lions. So I wouldn't have thought differently, this game should NEVER have came down to that last second missed FG.

[mraynrand]

Are you kidding? Crosby's field goal had nothing to do with the Packers' performance today, one way or the other they were baaaaad. However, the thing is Crosby didn't hit the field goal. I didn't watch all of the Pats game so I can't make an exact comparison. Just based on past performance, I'd rather have their offense than ours right now.

Yeah, but NE looked bad for stretches too. Packers rallied and could have won the game.

[mraynrand]

The Giants may not have been lighting it up this year, but they are still better than the Lions. So I wouldn't have thought differently, this game should NEVER have came down to that last second missed FG.

but both games did. Giants at Lions might be fun to watch.

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Tramontana Williams was a product of this coaching staff. Burnett had his best year last year. Someone had to teach Shields how to play CB since he did it for what, one or two years in college? Nick Collins became an All Pro under them.

Hayward, if he has trended downward might have been done in by injuries. HHCD did well at safety last year, this year he has been playing musical partners there.

The coaches I worry the least about are back there.

i'm pretty sure tramon and collins had different positional coaches a decade ago

[Maxie the Taxi]

Yeah, but NE looked bad for stretches too. Packers rallied and could have won the game.

Brady's rally looked better than ours. LOL

[Rutnstrut]

Brady's rally looked better than ours. LOL

There is some truth to that. Even when Brady was throwing incompletions today, their offense still looked more complete or with it.

[pbmax]

Are you kidding? Crosby's field goal had nothing to do with the Packers' performance today, one way or the other they were baaaaad. However, the thing is Crosby didn't hit the field goal. I didn't watch all of the Pats game so I can't make an exact comparison. Just based on past performance, I'd rather have their offense than ours right now.

But that's exactly my point. The result is beside the point. There are still things to fix, Crosby successful or not.

[Maxie the Taxi]

But that's exactly my point. The result is beside the point. There are still things to fix, Crosby successful or not.

How do you fix inferior talent? That's my point.

[pbmax]

How do you fix inferior talent? That's my point.

I don't think its inferior. I think its being used less than optimally. But I have been wrong before.

[mraynrand]

How do you fix inferior talent? That's my point.

up until now it was good coaching, scheme, performance, and availability for all kinds of different packages.

But 'inferior' with respect to what? I'd say a handful of players on a handful of teams.

[pbmax]

i'm pretty sure tramon and collins had different positional coaches a decade ago

You think Kurt Schottenheimer was the key?