Maybe Our Problem Is Talent, Or Lack Of It

[Rutnstrut]

up until now it was good coaching, scheme, performance, and availability for all kinds of different packages.

But 'inferior' with respect to what? I'd say a handful of players on a handful of teams.

I disagree on the good coaching, more like mediocre coaching, excellent QB play and luck.

[mraynrand]

I disagree on the good coaching, more like mediocre coaching, excellent QB play and luck.

Like I said, excellent QB play has resulted form good coaching: retraining Rodgers from Tedford, the scheme than made him successful, organizing the offense, the receivers, etc. etc.

And you can't have it both ways - if TT is drafting marginal talent, then the coaching has to be well above average to squeeze out the rate of wins we've seen during the Stubby era

[Patler]

Lack of talent, or lack of "clutchiness"?
Rodgers is very talented, but has failed to come through in the clutch.
Crosby is very talented, but seems to miss more late game winners than he hits.
Matthews is very talented, but where was the decisive defensive play?
etc.
etc.
etc.

[pbmax]

I think M3 does fail his team in late game situations and that puts his players in bad situations.

[Rutnstrut]

I think M3 does fail his team in late game situations and that puts his players in bad situations.

A coach like stubby needs all the stars to align for things to work. More often than not the stars don't align perfectly in the NFL and a good coach has to learn to win when they don't. Stubby has had many years to prove he is not a good coach when it comes to coaching on the fly or making adjustments or even thinking outside the box. IMO he is one who should always be an assistant, but isn't head coach worthy. Like I have said before, the Packers have had success despite of him, not due to him.

[mraynrand]

A coach like stubby needs all the stars to align for things to work. More often than not the stars don't align perfectly in the NFL and a good coach has to learn to win when they don't. Stubby has had many years to prove he is not a good coach when it comes to coaching on the fly or making adjustments or even thinking outside the box. IMO he is one who should always be an assistant, but isn't head coach worthy. Like I have said before, the Packers have had success despite of him, not due to him.

This is such a lame take, I'm not even gonna grace it with a rebuttal

[Rutnstrut]

This is such a lame take, I'm not even gonna grace it with a rebuttal

As is your blind faith in stubby.

[mraynrand]

As is your blind faith in stubby.

This is such a lame take, I'm not even gonna grace it with a rebuttal.

[Cobra Kai]

It's the Mike Ditka curse. Ever since those McD's commercials were he's wearing the Packer sweater, they've been playing worse than ass. Obviously the way to break the curse is to beat the Bears on Thanksgiving (but I'll take beating the Vikings next week too). Btw I want one of those sweaters, it's pretty sweet...

[Patler]

It's the Mike Ditka curse. Ever since those McD's commercials were he's wearing the Packer sweater, they've been playing worse than ass. Obviously the way to break the curse is to beat the Bears on Thanksgiving (but I'll take beating the Vikings next week too). Btw I want one of those sweaters, it's pretty sweet...

and the Bears have been playing well.

[mraynrand]

and the Bears have been playing well.

So too the Vikings. Packers will lose a whole lotta games if their play remains as it is right now.

[Freak Out]

There's plenty of upside there with Adams. And Adams got abused a bit, leading to him being 'less open/more held.' It's hard to believe a visiting team got away with what they did. Again, not saying the outcome changes, just that it was odd to see what was allowed in today's NFL.

There was a load of grab ass going on out there today....the crew of the SEA game is calling all that stuff right now.

[Patler]

So too the Vikings. Packers will lose a whole lotta games if their play remains as it is right now.

ya, like probably 7 more. I can't say the Lions played well today, but managed to beat Gb.

[3irty1]

Talent is part of it but its not just talent.

On offense I count 3 obvious problems with talent.

1) we lack a credible receiving threat outside. It goes beyond just not having a vertical threat, we can't field a passing attack that puts horizontal pressure on a defense. Jones and Adams aren't getting open. Most of our big plays have come off of free plays where Rodgers throws it up to a guy who isn't open and he catches it anyways. Against defense that doesn't shoot themselves with penalties this weakness has become more and more glaring.

2) Lacy is fat.

3) Whether against legitimately great pass rushers (Denver) or not, our Tackles have been hemorrhaging ground. Issue 1 and 2 make this worse as they are asked to sit in the chair longer and more often than usual.

That said what we're seeing is more than just a little talent deficiency. This is mostly the same offense as we had last year sans Nelson. There has to be multiple failures from multiple coaches as well. Another issue is that we are bringing out the absolute best in our opponents. How many teams have played their best game of the year versus us?

[pbmax]

It's the Mike Ditka curse. Ever since those McD's commercials were he's wearing the Packer sweater, they've been playing worse than ass. Obviously the way to break the curse is to beat the Bears on Thanksgiving (but I'll take beating the Vikings next week too). Btw I want one of those sweaters, it's pretty sweet...

and the Bears have been playing well.

Its a plot. Look what happened to Dallas after Rice showed up in their jersey!