Is Aaron Rodgers more of the problem than we might think?

[gbgary]

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[mraynrand]

this isn't media spin. rodgers says things that are black and white...not gray that can be misinterpreted and/or spun. he also has a history that can't be ignored. his passive-aggressive behavior created, and continues to plays into, the narrative, and some just want to gloss over it and pretend it hasn't affected things in the past, or could in the present or future. he's a brilliant QB. to this point probably the best all-time statistically. a day-1, ballet-1, HOF'er...but i prefer my QB to be team-before-self in all things and wish he was more like that. he's not like that though. i can accept it...but i don't have to like it. i also don't like the fact the Packers have enabled it in the past. i thought MLF handled the question from aaron nagler well...that rodgers is one man and doesn't have to like it for it to happen anyway for the good of the team and coaches. he then agreed with a rodgers point. rodgers has said he likes the new O...but. there's a power struggle happening whether some see it or not. for the good of the team, i hope MLF prevails.


it'll be done soon enough...until the next time rodgers can't bite his tongue.

Serious: yes, I know Rodgers contributes to this, but I also don't think it's worthy of much discussion. yet here i am.

Not Serious: I was joking around...up to a point. Maybe someone could kick his ass and he'd wise up.

[RashanGary]

this isn't media spin. rodgers says things that are black and white...not gray that can be misinterpreted and/or spun. he also has a history that can't be ignored. his passive-aggressive behavior created, and continues to plays into, the narrative, and some just want to gloss over it and pretend it hasn't affected things in the past, or could in the present or future. he's a brilliant QB. to this point probably the best all-time statistically. a day-1, ballet-1, HOF'er...but i prefer my QB to be team-before-self in all things and wish he was more like that. he's not like that though. i can accept it...but i don't have to like it. i also don't like the fact the Packers have enabled it in the past. i thought MLF handled the question from aaron nagler well...that rodgers is one man and doesn't have to like it for it to happen anyway for the good of the team and coaches. he then agreed with a rodgers point. rodgers has said he likes the new O...but. there's a power struggle happening whether some see it or not. for the good of the team, i hope MLF prevails.


it'll be done soon enough...until the next time rodgers can't bite his tongue.

MLF was impressive. He phrased it perfectly in that he understands from ARs perspective that it wasn’t helpful but the other 10 guys who are on the field benefitted and that’s why he did it and would do it again. That was perfect. He also owned up to a mistake he made and agreed with Aaron on that part. So he was just transparent and honest but firm and team focused at the same time. MLF is growing on me. He’s handling Rodgers well. And Rodgers is difficult the way I see it so props to mlf.

[texaspackerbacker]

Did anybody see any signs of a new run-first offense last night? I sure didn't - and Aaron Rodgers wasn't even in the game.

When your O Line is mediocre at best at run blocking and not much better at pass blocking, and your QBs are mobile, even #2, 3, and 4, your "new" offense is gonna look a whole lot like the old offense, as it did last night - pass first and rely on escapability to get the passes off.

LaFleur is smart and (apparently) not particularly ego-driven. He has the good sense to go with what works and not force something new that wouldn't work as well.

[Joemailman]

Did anybody see any signs of a new run-first offense last night? I sure didn't - and Aaron Rodgers wasn't even in the game.

When your O Line is mediocre at best at run blocking and not much better at pass blocking, and your QBs are mobile, even #2, 3, and 4, your "new" offense is gonna look a whole lot like the old offense, as it did last night - pass first and rely on escapability to get the passes off.

LaFleur is smart and (apparently) not particularly ego-driven. He has the good sense to go with what works and not force something new that wouldn't work as well.

Packers threw the ball 21 times and ran the ball 29 times. If you take the runs by the QB's and consider them pass attempts, then it was 26 passes and 24 rushes. Is that what you had in mind?

[pbmax]

Packers threw the ball 21 times and ran the ball 29 times. If you take the runs by the QB's and consider them pass attempts, then it was 26 passes and 24 rushes. Is that what you had in mind?

Didn't start out that way though. I think they ran once on the opening drive.

[gbgary]

Did anybody see any signs of a new run-first offense last night? I sure didn't - and Aaron Rodgers wasn't even in the game.

When your O Line is mediocre at best at run blocking and not much better at pass blocking, and your QBs are mobile, even #2, 3, and 4, your "new" offense is gonna look a whole lot like the old offense, as it did last night - pass first and rely on escapability to get the passes off.

LaFleur is smart and (apparently) not particularly ego-driven. He has the good sense to go with what works and not force something new that wouldn't work as well.

these were backups playing other backups, there was no game planning, and they're not going to roll out the new O until the season opener. they're evaluating talent and setting the roster. nothing more.

[RashanGary]

Didn't start out that way though. I think they ran once on the opening drive.

Is there a reason you’re picking apart posts that talk about running the ball more? The Packers ran the ball 32.5% of the plays last year. 50/50 is a balanced attack, exactly what MLF has been preaching.

[RashanGary]

Im a fan of balanced offense. I’m also a fan of the run blocking schemes and pass blocking schemes both looking the same as the plays start. It slows pass rush and sucks linebackers down and generally makes life easier on the QB. I guess I don’t understand why anyone is against running the ball half of the time.

[texaspackerbacker]

Having a fairly big lead just might have had something to do with that balance too. I wouldn't expect them to put much on film for other teams to see, but basically, you play the way you practice, especially with a minimum of game planning like in the first preseason game. Early in the game and when the team had success moving the ball, it was pass first. Also, on most of the pass plays, Kizer and Boyle did some pretty good Aaron Rodgers mobility imitations, rather than just unloading it quick like some in here seem to want.

[bobblehead]

Having a fairly big lead just might have had something to do with that balance too. I wouldn't expect them to put much on film for other teams to see, but basically, you play the way you practice, especially with a minimum of game planning like in the first preseason game. Early in the game and when the team had success moving the ball, it was pass first. Also, on most of the pass plays, Kizer and Boyle did some pretty good Aaron Rodgers mobility imitations, rather than just unloading it quick like some in here seem to want.

They passed early so they could see Kizer in action. They ran late so they could see Williams in action. What they do balance or otherwise is to assess talent. Week 1 we will see the actually offensive philosophy.

[RashanGary]

I do think my observation of Rodgers not being natural at seeing the game from the other 10 guys perspectives is real. Self centered is the term for it, but he’s not trying it. He just doesn’t put himself in other peoples shoes very well. His history with his family off the field suggests the same thing. Because it’s a team sport, a coach that can see the big team picture and can open Rodgers eyes or at least diplomatically reign him in is important.

However, in the name being fair to Rodgers, and not creating a weird witch hunt here, id like to also mention a very impressive strength. Rodgers is the most maniacally focused practice player I’ve ever seen. Even when it’s not his snap, he watches every practice rep, paying close attention to every route run by every WR, TE and Back. He’s as focused as the head coach. I see that in practice, but I think you could see that in the game last night. He was with Lafleur the whole time, same as practice, watching every single move.

Lafleur encourages and highlights Rodgers brilliance while diplomatically smoothing out his self centered influence on the team. Rodgers isn’t a perfect human being, but there’s a chance here, he’s teamed up with the right guy to lead the TEAM to finish out his HOF career with some rings.

[mraynrand]

They passed early so they could see Kizer in action. They ran late so they could see Williams in action. What they do balance or otherwise is to assess talent. Week 1 we will see the actually offensive philosophy.

I try to tell my relatives this all the time. They (some) watch preseason games as though it's a real game and winning is the goal.

[pbmax]

Is there a reason you’re picking apart posts that talk about running the ball more? The Packers ran the ball 32.5% of the plays last year. 50/50 is a balanced attack, exactly what MLF has been preaching.

1. Running the ball more makes an offense less efficient, generally.
2. Packers running 32.5% last year was an outlier because of injuries and being behind for more often than previously.
3. 50/50 is a dumb number to apply to any game. Numerical balance is NOT the goal. Or shouldn't be.
4. Did M4 actually say his target is 50/50? If he did, he will be out of a job within 2 years if he actually tries to implement it.

[RashanGary]

1. Running the ball more makes an offense less efficient, generally.
2. Packers running 32.5% last year was an outlier because of injuries and being behind for more often than previously.
3. 50/50 is a dumb number to apply to any game. Numerical balance is NOT the goal. Or shouldn't be.
4. Did M4 actually say his target is 50/50? If he did, he will be out of a job within 2 years if he actually tries to implement it.

Maybe focus more on winning football game than statistics? Rams, Saints and Patriots all ran the ball 45% of the time last year. Three of the top 4 teams. Maybe your pff articles aren’t really making you smarter? Maybe some good old fashion common sense applies sometimes?