Is Aaron Rodgers more of the problem than we might think?

[mraynrand]

The data hints that the problem is most certainly not just Rodgers

[pbmax]

Maybe I am just defending my priors, but the distinct difference between 1st and 3rd down makes it seem like a Offensive design problem.

[esoxx]

Some stats I saw:

Stubby

[gbgary]

Maybe I am just defending my priors, but the distinct difference between 1st and 3rd down makes it seem like a Offensive design problem.

when you constantly see guys open but not thrown to, it's not a design problem, it's a decision problem. when the middle of the field is ignored, it's not a design problem, it's a decision problem.

[gbgary]

The data hints that the problem is most certainly not just Rodgers

i don't think anyone ever said it was...but rodgers certainly bears some blame. his "trust" issues with new players, his freelancing, the throwaways...were all problems. people seem to be forgetting the balls over guy's heads and balls into the ground. he needs a bounce-back year in the worst way.

[mraynrand]

I’m in the “both” camp

[pbmax]

when you constantly see guys open but not thrown to, it's not a design problem, it's a decision problem. when the middle of the field is ignored, it's not a design problem, it's a decision problem.

Why does it work on third down?

And Rodgers didn't come into GB with touchdown to checkdown written on his forehead.

[pbmax]

i don't think anyone ever said it was...but rodgers certainly bears some blame. his "trust" issues with new players, his freelancing, the throwaways...were all problems. people seem to be forgetting the balls over guy's heads and balls into the ground. he needs a bounce-back year in the worst way.

Young WR: Why was there a second offense? Was it because Rodgers was simply willful or did it solve a problem with M3's offense?

Freelancing: Not sure what you mean but if extended offense, it was the only move that bailed the offense out of its 2015 slump. Still took a very good player (heathy Cook) to make it work.

Throwaways: If after skipping shorter quicker throw, then someone will have to demonstrate a quicker, shorter passing attack works and Rodgers will have to give it a shot. M3's usually did not survive contact with a good defense that could do more than one thing well. The short passing game was more bubble screens that I ever care to witness again.


But put all that aside, its the coach's job to get players to believe in his vision for the game. Same goes with the QB.

[run pMc]

Absolutely. People downplay or forget how good he was.
We always remember the 4th and 26 in 04. But I'll never forgive Sherman for punting on 4th and less than a foot on Philly's side of the 50 with Green in the backfield. Right before all that happened.

I remember. And I still remember being aghast that Sherman wanted to punt. The Eagles D was tired and Ahman was very good in short yardage situations. All they needed to do was convert that and they would have played a Carolina team in the NFCCC game that was so beat up Brad Hoover was the starting RB.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'm still going with McCarthy's offense was nothing special, and Rogers could only do so much to overcome the deficiencies inherent in his system. It worked great for a while but then teams adjusted and McCarthy didn't. I think that's what frustrated Aaron so much and then we have the Rogers that wants to change things at the line. I just think Rogers needs to get into a place where he trusts the play caller again. I don't think that's been there for the last three years.

[RashanGary]

Honestly, Gute getting rid of Nelson, bringing on a guy Aaron didn’t have chemistry with at te for $$ and then relying on three rookie receivers that Aaron didn’t have rapport with didn’t help much.

[RashanGary]

Other than the Clark, Spriggs, Fackrell, Martinez, Lowry, Trevor Davis draft, Tt just didn’t have a good last couple years of his career so Gute was starting over in some spots.

[RashanGary]

And then Gute has more of a length/speed philosophy so just a bunch of changing pieces all of a sudden. All of it affected Rodgers surroundings.

But AR has a part.

[Joemailman]

Other than the Clark, Spriggs, Fackrell, Martinez, Lowry, Trevor Davis draft, Tt just didn’t have a good last couple years of his career so Gute was starting over in some spots.

Trevor Davis is having a good offseason and camp. If Spriggs would get his act together, (if he has one) that 2016 draft could rank up there with TT's best. The 2017 draft with King, Josh Jones, Mt. Adams, Jamaal Williams and Aaron Jones still has a chance to be pretty good. It was the 2014 and 2015 drafts that blew the roster apart.

[call_me_ishmael]

Can I just say I love Mount Adams as a nick name? I hope that catches on nationally. Fantastic name.