THE COLLAPSE OF THE OFFENSE--WHO IS AT FAULT ????

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i blame injuries. LOL

you made the LOL like you were laughing, but i'm sure many agree with that notion

the offense hasn't looked good all year, even during the 6 game win streak the numbers were way down, and we were commenting on it. that was back when the team was healthy, except for the loss of jordy

and that would be shocking if the whole offense went this far down the toilet just by lossing one guy not named aaron rodgers

[dsilby]

At the end of the day, the players on the field have to make plays. McCarthy doesn't get a free pass, nor should he.
But when a ball goes right through Adam's hand in the end zone, Rodgers overthrowing open receivers at an alarming rate, having no TE that can get anywhere more than 5 yards down field, a RB who's fat, an offensive line that's all banged up and playing without your stud receiver.
Maybe Mike could get more creative with plays? But if the line isn't blocking and the receivers aren't catching and the QB isn't accurate.
A coach can only do so much.

[pbmax]

At the end of the day, the players on the field have to make plays. McCarthy doesn't get a free pass, nor should he.
But when a ball goes right through Adam's hand in the end zone, Rodgers overthrowing open receivers at an alarming rate, having no TE that can get anywhere more than 5 yards down field, a RB who's fat, an offensive line that's all banged up and playing without your stud receiver.
Maybe Mike could get more creative with plays? But if the line isn't blocking and the receivers aren't catching and the QB isn't accurate.
A coach can only do so much.

Its a good question. If M3 had made every recommended move, would the Packers record look different?

I think it helps the WR most, the QB next, but I am not sure he can help the O line much more. You could chip the DE every down but that just takes receivers out of their route and makes man easier to play.

I think there is a cap to how much the coach/playcaller could do by themselves. Its really been a group effort.

[Rutnstrut]

My first choice was to put most of the blame on stubby. Second thought most should go on Rodgers, here is why I think so. With the receiver situation being what it is, Rodgers needed/needs to be almost perfect. He has been anything but, not only is he not making exceptional plays. He's not even making a lot of basic plays that he should make, so he is not making their average receivers look even average. When they really needed to lean on their MVP QB he failed.

[dsilby]

My first choice was to put most of the blame on stubby. Second thought most should go on Rodgers, here is why I think so. With the receiver situation being what it is, Rodgers needed/needs to be almost perfect. He has been anything but, not only is he not making exceptional plays. He's not even making a lot of basic plays that he should make, so he is not making their average receivers look even average. When they really needed to lean on their MVP QB he failed.

Who's Stubby? Is that a poster?

[dsilby]

Its a good question. If M3 had made every recommended move, would the Packers record look different?

I think it helps the WR most, the QB next, but I am not sure he can help the O line much more. You could chip the DE every down but that just takes receivers out of their route and makes man easier to play.

I think there is a cap to how much the coach/playcaller could do by themselves. Its really been a group effort.

Yeah, I agree with this.
Everyone on this team from management to the players is at fault.
But this team goes as far as Rodgers can take them. And right now he has a problem taking them from the 50 to the 30.

And what is "every recommended move"?

[Striker]

Who's Stubby? Is that a poster?

Stubby is what some people call MM (or Fat Mike).

Still tamer than some of the other stuff you've read recently.

[mraynrand]

Who's Stubby? Is that a poster?

Stubborn + Tubby = Stubby

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Stubborn + Tubby = Stubby

i vote for changing his name to "stuckey"

stupid + fat fuckery

[Bossman641]

So a lot of us have commented on how the WR's run lazy routes or don't look like they are running the routes with any precision.

From the JSO....

The same personnel man said while studying the Packers a coach told him to watch the wide receivers because it was unclear to him what they were trying to accomplish with their routes. The Packers have had the same offense for years, but the receivers didn't seem to be finishing their routes this year.

"He told me, 'The wide receivers are just running to spots and they expect the quarterback to scramble and they don't get the ball out on time,'" the personnel man said. "I watched it and he was right. They run and they stop and then they run around and don't really run routes. I don't know if that's a philosophy or what. I don't know what you call it."

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/experts-from-other-teams-see-multiple-problems-with-packers-offense-b99647555z1-364763641.html

It's time to get a dedicated WR coach again and not split that role up.

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who is the WR coach now that its not edgar? or is he OC AND wr coach?

but its not just on the WR coach, a head coach SHOULD see this same problem and either fix it, or make sure it gets fixed

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maybe they should make clements do it, he's not doing anything else

[Bossman641]

Van pelt is the qb and wr coach

[Carolina_Packer]

So a lot of us have commented on how the WR's run lazy routes or don't look like they are running the routes with any precision.

From the JSO....

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/experts-from-other-teams-see-multiple-problems-with-packers-offense-b99647555z1-364763641.html

It's time to get a dedicated WR coach again and not split that role up.

Since the route concepts (and execution thereof) have come into question much earlier in the season, I'd say you could blame Van Pelt only so long. The HC has to be on top of situations like that and has to be prepared with a counter-punch. Wouldn't you imagine that there have been countless meetings about what to do to beat man coverage? In the end, what you need is to beat the man covering you, if you keep running the same route concepts. You would think that a head coach and former QB coach and OC would be more prepared to take on the possibility of press man, and would have had a move to counter what is being done to his receivers. It's ultimately the players job to execute, so perhaps we are seeing that what we have been left with is not good enough to help generate production in the short passing game. Ultimately, it's up to the head coach to make sure that there is a counter punch to the punches that are landing. I'm definitely a players, not plays guy, however, you have to try some new things instead of just trying to get the same things to work. Just one example, what would an opposing defense do if the Packers put a guy in motion? But that's not what our offense does! Right, but if your offense not getting production doing what it's doing, shouldn't you be willing to try some things?

[MadtownPacker]

The blame for the collapse of any team has to go to the leader IMO That is M3. Rodgers is one of M3's team leaders. He is a huge part but he does not control the team. If something is sour within the team the QB shouldn't be expected to fix it. The leader of the team should.
TT runs the business side and if he sees the person in charge of the team(M3) isn't running things right he gets a new person to lead the team. The way I see it TT got his SB out of M3. That is TT's job and he accomplished it with the hiring of McCarthy IMO. As far as he is concened his coach is always on the hot seat. When he feels his coach has maxed out he will few replace him. I don't think it is there yet but if next season starts out like this then it will be time to replace the leader.