MCGINN---NEW JSO ARTICLES..........THE BLAME FALLS ON

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McGinn on Thompson:

1. Let's remember this sentence, before going onto criticisms.

In summary, I still can't believe a team with Rodgers taking every snap and that much talent could lose six times in the regular season, could fail to win another NFC North Division crown and isn't playing Sunday in the NFC Championship Game for the right to reclaim the Lombardi Trophy that was well within its means.

So Ted must be doing a good job, right?

2. Mason Foster. The Packers impaired team offense just torched the Redskins D for 35 points and should have had more. How good is this guy again? Did he single-handedly revive Eddie Lacy's season?

3. Not having a season ending press conference and not being available for coaches getting their pink slips, but instead going to the East West Shrine game. I do think Thompson lags in the PR department and that probably does wear on McCarthy. But Bobby has speculated in the past that Ted has insisted on coaching changes but generally leaves things to McCarthy to decide on. Isn't that happening again? And if you are in charge of selecting your coaching staff, shouldn't that guy be in the press conference?

Should the Packers have had Eliot Wolf available to help Mike explain why he didn't go for two?

4. McCarthy blames Ted.

According to several sources, McCarthy is fed up with his boss' unwillingness to take a chance and reinforce the roster with veteran players that might be unknown to the Packers but have the talent to contribute.

Its plural and its not team specified. Who are the sources? Do they actually know Mike or Ted, or are they just speculating on overhead comments?

And if the talent was enough to win a Super Bowl (especially enough talent that Bob predicted that losing Nelson wouldn't slow down the team), exactly what are they lacking?

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1. McCarthy does have several items on his to do list. None of that is discussed here until the end in the section on Nelson. So this critique fits, but all he offers are comparison's to other teams. I can do that. Red does that. What are you giving us?

2. List of coaches McCarthy non-Super Bowl streak is compared to (in most cases, favorably):
a. Landry
b. Belichick
c. Cowher
d. Tomlin
e. Payton
f. Holmgren
g. Ditka
h. Gruden
i. Billick

Seems like a recommendation. Is a five year Super Bowl drought actually a reason to fire someone?

And if he doesn't like Ted's Director of College Scouting approach, who should hire and fire? And who would be the next coach?

[woodbuck27]

A fair article, if bit obvious. There is some irony in it though. On one hand it criticizes the Packers for being unwilling to change. Yet it criticizes MM for making changes with the coaching staff that as it turns out were counter-productive. Sometimes changes don't lead to progress. That said, we've already seen some changes. MM has already made some changes to the offensive coaching staff, and there may be more changes. He's said he will be calling the plays from here on out. And he publicly called out Lacy, a highly uncharacteristic thing for him to do. Hopefully this year's changes work better than last year's changes.

Yes.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...366325731.html

This article is hard hitting reporting.

It's well supported with 'the facts'.

The authoe nails it.

Many Packerrats will decline it's TRUTH.

Those same Packerrats will continue imagining that TT and MM are exactly what Packer Nation deserves for next season's Super Bowl run.

I can 'only' imagine how they believe that is truly possible..

PLEASE: **Read the bottom of the article. Well here it is and please think TRUTHFULLY and how Packer GM Ted Thompson is. How TT too often doesn't 'manage. on a full basis (day to day to ... on a 24-7 week to week and month to month basis....like Bill Belichick does to give the team he loves the edge. They'll go back to the Big Show in two weeks because of Bill Belichicks dedication to it all.Not just who he might steal in the NFL DRAFT. A GM has to do a lot more than TT shows us.

** Here:

" What they need less of is the same old same old.

Hockey's Wayne Gretzky once said, "You miss 100% of the shots you never take."

In other words, no guts, no glory.

Most successful institutions slip without a vigorous, healthy critique of leadership and the introduction of fresh perspective. History might be weighing against another championship for McCarthy and Thompson, but it doesn't have to turn out that way.

The future is up to them. " Fr. Article above

[mraynrand]

I hate articles like this. It's like listening to Wist on his soap box yelling through his megaphone about how terrible the 2-4 is, all the while ignoring any and all facts that counter his idiotic banal droning. McGinn is in rare form in this article, stating the obvious, and completely ignoring reality.

Stupid Quotes (selected, because most of the article is stupid):

"Is it second-guessing McCarthy now to say Jeff Janis should have been playing earlier and a lot more than he did?
McCarthy had better know who his best players are. This year, he didn't."
- McCarthy knew who his best players were and they were 1) on IR 2) On the bench 3) Fat 4) Walking wounded
- McGinn second guesses because Janis caught a few passes in the playoffs because there was no one else to throw to. Had other guys been healthy, he Rodgers would have thrown to them. McGinn ignores that Janis kept running the wrong route. McGinn says he didn't watch practice, but after the JS alienated themselves and lost access, he is just throwing a tantrum. Cheap bullshit

"Make people accountable. Sit down Adams, or Eddie Lacy, for that matter."

-Bob - perhaps you missed their benchings. Perhaps you forgot the spark from Crockett in Detroit. But wait, aren't these the best players. Or perhaps you 'know better' than Stubby even though you're absent from practice. Fool.

"With Sitton's inadequacies too much to overcome, the Packers basically threw away a fifth straight NFC North championship."

So what? This hurts the Packer exactly how?

"And, really, why did it take 11 games for McCarthy to realize that inside linebacker Nate Palmer couldn't play and that Jake Ryan was the better option?"

perhaps if you paid attention to the game, you might have notices that Ryan was hurt and was nursing a hammy or something and was on the bike/running slow at AZ. maybe, just maybe Ryan wasn't full strength yet. Also, he's a rookie in a complex defense and when he was on the field, he was the target of the other team. Hmmmm

"You might argue the decision to play Casey Hayward ahead of Quinten Rollins was flawed, but that's at least debatable. The others aren't."

Says you. Bob, you're debatable.

"Given the decisions made by McCarthy over the course of the year, it would be difficult to trust his judgment."

As opposed to every other year in the past decade filled with playoff appearances, NFCC games and a Superbowl.

"Make the coaches burn the midnight oil getting a new player up to speed. Let players like Mike Daniels and T.J. Lang see that we're in this thing together trying to get better. Bring in a successful veteran to show young players new ways to prepare and practice."

If he thinks the coaches don't burn the 'midnight oil' he is a fool, especially since on his chats he routinely points out how much time these guys put in. Idiot. Is there evidence that Lang and Daniels were frustrated by the coaches? If so, then print their quotes or shut the fuck up.

"In truth, Thompson operates like a glorified director of college scouting."

This is just Petulant. As though the Packer's way under Thompson wasn't working. And as though no FAs were ever brought in. Bob should check out the success rate of other teams bringing in free agents - other than a LB who was awful for the Redskins' bottom rated run defense (I would refer him to NE's stable of outstanding WRs brought in through the draft and FA over the years.

"As for Jordy Nelson, seldom in NFL history has an offense folded quite like Green Bay's did this season in the absence of one starter."

Good thing it was just one starter. Good thing Cobb didn't separate his shoulder then blow out a lung at AZ, Adams didn't sprain his ankle and knee at Washington, Monty didn't break his ankle, The O-line didn't miss game after game, Lang didn't play with a ruined shoulder, Bact a knee, Sitton a back, Lindsley whatever knocked him to, Bulaga an knee and ankle, etc. etc.

"Look at how the Patriots, Broncos and Panthers coped with an injury list on offense probably more severe than the Packers'."

Maybe Bob should have watched the Patriots when all their weapons were out. Or watched the anemic Broncos offense the past few weeks. NE was saved by getting Amadala and Gronk back.. Meanwhiel the Packers lost Adams and Cobb. Is this loser out of his mind?


OK, I'm already bored by this moronic 'hit job' by McGinn. This is really a low point - a collection of myopic, ranting, click bait bullshit from a columnist who used to be pretty decent. What an epic fail. What a joke.

[Rutnstrut]

Great article. You know why it riles up the homers? Because most of it is spot on.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I haven't read the McGinn article yet so I will be able to analyze it without bias.

After Jordy went down, McGinn wrote a "what me worry" article telling Packer fans to relax because TT had larded the roster with Super Bowl ready talent.

I give his latest study a B+. He supports his criticisms of TT well with very credible detail and examples.

[mraynrand]

Great article. You know why it riles up the homers? Because most of it is spot on.

that's about as convincing an argument as Bob's

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The point of the article is apparently anything short of the Super Bowl is failure.

I have yet to hear anyone with a plan to improve on the performance that has lead to such lofty expectations. Unless you think 10-6 happens by accident with QBs like Rodgers.

If you think that, I suggest you look at Big Ben, Rivers and Brees.

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national media is reading a bit more into the story and saying that M3 is fed up with TT and his approach

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/24/report-mccarthy-fed-up-with-thompsons-approach-to-free-agency/

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the last 3 paragraphs

By never having the accountability that comes from having a traditional owner, Thompson and McCarthy can keep doing what they do, at least until quarterback Aaron Rodgers retires and the team isn’t an instant contender every year.

Packers fans should want something more than merely contending for the balance of Rodgers’ career. Arguably the best quarterback of the last decade, the Packers should have more than one Super Bowl appearance during his career.

Whatever happens in 2016, the Packers are running out of chances with Rodgers.

hell fucking yes floria

[woodbuck27]

The HOMER's are satisfied with even a second place finich in the NFCN.

Their team went 1-1 in the playoffs.

That's not losing.

That's a tie and doesn/t MM call it 'not to lose'?.... .500 ball ...just one loss and what about that win !

If Jordy Nelson had just been there ...the Packers woulda....coulda....shoulda.

If certain assistant coach's had just done their job and MM had all that confidence in them too... it's simply disappointing....they let him down.MM counted on them to come through. A real shame.

Next year ....the same Ole........ and the next...... and the next......and

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Well, look at how changing GMs, coaches and teams has won more than one for Peyton Manning!

And Brady, with the same coach and GM stability, has won 5 just by accident, obviously.

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Homers are not satisfied.

Homers are convinced none of the doubters have a better plan.

Any idiot with an internet connection, phone line or pen, paper and stamps can claim the coach or GM should change or be fired. None of them have a viable, alternate plan so far.

BTW, add in Brees to that list above of QBs served poorly by stability.

[mraynrand]

Moon, Brees, Fouts, and Marino wish they had someone with the insight of Florio weighing in on their careers I bet.

Probably Houston, New Orleans, San Diego and Miami fans, like Packer fans, should want something more than merely contending, because it's obvious that they don't. Homers.