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Remember those TEs that Thompson should sign?
J Gresham caught 18 passes for Arizona, including zero in the playoffs.
V Davis caught 38 for 395 and 0 TDs.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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I'm a bit unclear how you rated the players. For example, who is the "1" from 2005, Whitticker who started for a year, or Montgomery who played five years for them?Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post2005: 1/4 contributed/started
6 Mike Montgomery
6 Craig Bragg
7 Kurt Campbell
7 Will Whitticker
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Originally posted by pbmax View PostRemember those TEs that Thompson should sign?
J Gresham caught 18 passes for Arizona, including zero in the playoffs.
V Davis caught 38 for 395 and 0 TDs.
convenient of you to leave out the productive TE's who were available last year and strong commodities during the unrestricted free agency period....you know..the time when we discuss the draft in hereTERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER
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I wasn't sure how to rate that year. I think my rule of thumb was "Do I remember them starting at least one game?" and I couldn't remember if Montgomery had. Almost everyone else who was a contributor started several games.No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.
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Names of those who didn't re-sign with their teams?Originally posted by Bretsky View Postconvenient of you to leave out the productive TE's who were available last year and strong commodities during the unrestricted free agency period....you know..the time when we discuss the draft in hereBud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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Montgomery didn't start very often, but he was part of their DL rotation for 5 years. That's a very good return on a 6th or 7th round pick.Originally posted by Smidgeon View PostI wasn't sure how to rate that year. I think my rule of thumb was "Do I remember them starting at least one game?" and I couldn't remember if Montgomery had. Almost everyone else who was a contributor started several games.
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W/O even looking guys that went into the unrestricted free agency period were Delanie Walker, Charles Clay, and Jordan Cameron.Originally posted by pbmax View PostNames of those who didn't re-sign with their teams?TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER
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When did Schlauderaff ever contribute?? Elmore got cut right out of the gate... DJ Smith?? That's contributing??Originally posted by Smidgeon View PostInteresting comment. Thought I'd go look at TT's 6th and 7th round draft picks and see how well he did, excluding the most recent draft:
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Still in NFL (per PFR)
2005: 1/4 contributed/started
6 Mike Montgomery
6 Craig Bragg
7 Kurt Campbell
7 Will Whitticker
2006: 1/2 contributed/started
6 Johnny Jolly
7 Dave Tollefson
2007: 3/5 contributed/started
6 Korey hall
6 Desmond Bishop
6 Mason Crosby
7 DeShawn Wynn
7 Clark Harris
2008: 1/2 contributed/started
7 Matt Flynn
7 Brett Swain
2009: 1/3 contributed/started
6 Jarius Wynn
6 Brandon Underwood
7 Brad Jones
2010: 2/2 contributed/started
6 James Starks
7 CJ Wilson
2011: 1/5 contributed/started
6 Caleb Schlauderaff
6 DJ Smith
6 Ricky Elmore
7 Ryan Taylor
7 Lawrence Guy
2012: 0/2 contributed/started
7 Andrew Datko
7 BJ Coleman
2013: 2/4 contributed/started
6 Nate Palmer
7 Charles Johnson
7 Kevin Dorsey
7 Sam Barrington
2014: 2/2 show promise
6 Demetri Goodson
7 Jeff Janis
So by subjective count...
2005: 1/4 contributed/started
2006: 1/4 contributed/started
2007: 3/5 contributed/started
2008: 1/2 contributed/started
2009: 1/3 contributed/started
2010: 2/2 contributed/started
2011: 1/5 contributed/started
2012: 0/2 contributed/started
2013: 2/4 contributed/started
2014: 2/2 show promise
...for a grand total hit rate of 14/31 = 45%.
The best players were Brad Jones, Desmond Bishop, Johnny Jolly, Mason Crosby, and Sam Barrington (I suddenly find it utterly fascinating that Green Bay's best starting ILBs have been in the sixth/seventh round...
The other interesting note is that TT has only completely missed on three players (i.e. the player never actually made a final roster):
Craig Bragg and Kurt Campbell in 2005 (rounds 6 and 7)
Cory Rodgers in 2006 (round 4)
Everyone else has made a final roster. Not a bad record.
EDIT: Corrected some math
As for the "hit rate"... that is misleading, b/c afterall, the draft is TT's only means of player procurement - of course some of those guys need to play. Just b/c they played, you can't say they "contributed"... what does "contributed" mean?? A bartender can "contribute" for a game or two...
What we need is impact players at the top of the draft, and fill lineup holes with vets that can provide a year or two. Mining for diamonds in the rough is all well and good, and necessary; but, a GM can't be so myopic as to say 'to hell with this years on-field product - some of my mining projects might be ready by next year'. In the mean time, the clock is ticking on blue-chip vets, and years are ticking by...
This years whack-a-mole disaster reared its ugly head on the OL - would it have killed TT to have signed a veteran OT who had a year left in the tank?? (no suggestions, as I'm not going to bother researching who was available). Instead, TT and MM philosophize that we can move this C/G/OT here, and that C/G/OT there, and round and round she goes...
There's a serious flaw in TT's approach, even though the core of his philosophy is correct.
We'll see moving forward, but I would bet dollars to donuts that next is a repeat of this year. We weren't good enough to win the division, and we got predictably bounced when we met a good team in the playoffs.wist
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Well, that's a bet that will be won in one way or another by 31 teams next year, so I suspect you will be correct.Originally posted by wist43 View PostWe'll see moving forward, but I would bet dollars to donuts that next is a repeat of this year. We weren't good enough to win the division, and we got predictably bounced when we met a good team in the playoffs.
Predicting that a team will not make, or will get beat in the playoffs is about as safe a prediction as there is.
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The real problem, as Wist points out, is Thompson's attitude - the hell with this year's product.Originally posted by Patler View PostWell, that's a bet that will be won in one way or another by 31 teams next year, so I suspect you will be correct.
Predicting that a team will not make, or will get beat in the playoffs is about as safe a prediction as there is.
If TT cared more about winning and less about his egotistical need to develop only draft picks and preferably lower-round ones, and if he'd draft more manly offensive linemen, we wouldn't be mired in such mediocrity.
Oh, and if we fired Dom Capers, too. Almost forgot that key element."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
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I'll take that bet, but only if I get a coffee with it.Originally posted by wist43 View PostWe'll see moving forward, but I would bet dollars to donuts that next is a repeat of this year.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
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Moving that needle to 2/4, TT's hit rate for starter/heavy rotation player in the lowest rounds of the draft is 48%. Which is amazing, actually.No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.
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