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  • But not good enough, damnit.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

    KYPack

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    • Remember those TEs that Thompson should sign?

      J Gresham caught 18 passes for Arizona, including zero in the playoffs.

      V Davis caught 38 for 395 and 0 TDs.
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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      • Hmmm....maybe Jimmy Graham's available.

        For JC Tretter.
        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

        KYPack

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        • Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post
          2005: 1/4 contributed/started
          6 Mike Montgomery
          6 Craig Bragg
          7 Kurt Campbell
          7 Will Whitticker
          I'm a bit unclear how you rated the players. For example, who is the "1" from 2005, Whitticker who started for a year, or Montgomery who played five years for them?

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          • Originally posted by pbmax View Post
            Remember those TEs that Thompson should sign?

            J Gresham caught 18 passes for Arizona, including zero in the playoffs.

            V Davis caught 38 for 395 and 0 TDs.

            convenient of you to leave out the productive TE's who were available last year and strong commodities during the unrestricted free agency period....you know..the time when we discuss the draft in here
            TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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            • I wasn't sure how to rate that year. I think my rule of thumb was "Do I remember them starting at least one game?" and I couldn't remember if Montgomery had. Almost everyone else who was a contributor started several games.
              No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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              • Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                convenient of you to leave out the productive TE's who were available last year and strong commodities during the unrestricted free agency period....you know..the time when we discuss the draft in here
                Names of those who didn't re-sign with their teams?
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post
                  I wasn't sure how to rate that year. I think my rule of thumb was "Do I remember them starting at least one game?" and I couldn't remember if Montgomery had. Almost everyone else who was a contributor started several games.
                  Montgomery didn't start very often, but he was part of their DL rotation for 5 years. That's a very good return on a 6th or 7th round pick.

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                  • Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                    Names of those who didn't re-sign with their teams?
                    W/O even looking guys that went into the unrestricted free agency period were Delanie Walker, Charles Clay, and Jordan Cameron.
                    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                    • Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                      Not everybody's a winner like Wist.
                      Would Vince think in those terms??

                      I rest my case.
                      wist

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                      • Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post
                        Interesting comment. Thought I'd go look at TT's 6th and 7th round draft picks and see how well he did, excluding the most recent draft:

                        Still on Packers
                        Still in NFL (per PFR)

                        2005: 1/4 contributed/started
                        6 Mike Montgomery
                        6 Craig Bragg
                        7 Kurt Campbell
                        7 Will Whitticker

                        2006: 1/2 contributed/started
                        6 Johnny Jolly
                        7 Dave Tollefson

                        2007: 3/5 contributed/started
                        6 Korey hall
                        6 Desmond Bishop
                        6 Mason Crosby
                        7 DeShawn Wynn
                        7 Clark Harris

                        2008: 1/2 contributed/started
                        7 Matt Flynn
                        7 Brett Swain

                        2009: 1/3 contributed/started
                        6 Jarius Wynn
                        6 Brandon Underwood
                        7 Brad Jones

                        2010: 2/2 contributed/started
                        6 James Starks
                        7 CJ Wilson


                        2011: 1/5 contributed/started
                        6 Caleb Schlauderaff
                        6 DJ Smith

                        6 Ricky Elmore
                        7 Ryan Taylor
                        7 Lawrence Guy


                        2012: 0/2 contributed/started
                        7 Andrew Datko
                        7 BJ Coleman

                        2013: 2/4 contributed/started
                        6 Nate Palmer
                        7 Charles Johnson
                        7 Kevin Dorsey
                        7 Sam Barrington


                        2014: 2/2 show promise
                        6 Demetri Goodson
                        7 Jeff Janis


                        So by subjective count...

                        2005: 1/4 contributed/started
                        2006: 1/4 contributed/started
                        2007: 3/5 contributed/started
                        2008: 1/2 contributed/started
                        2009: 1/3 contributed/started
                        2010: 2/2 contributed/started
                        2011: 1/5 contributed/started
                        2012: 0/2 contributed/started
                        2013: 2/4 contributed/started
                        2014: 2/2 show promise

                        ...for a grand total hit rate of 14/31 = 45%.

                        The best players were Brad Jones, Desmond Bishop, Johnny Jolly, Mason Crosby, and Sam Barrington (I suddenly find it utterly fascinating that Green Bay's best starting ILBs have been in the sixth/seventh round...

                        The other interesting note is that TT has only completely missed on three players (i.e. the player never actually made a final roster):
                        Craig Bragg and Kurt Campbell in 2005 (rounds 6 and 7)
                        Cory Rodgers in 2006 (round 4)
                        Everyone else has made a final roster. Not a bad record.

                        EDIT: Corrected some math
                        When did Schlauderaff ever contribute?? Elmore got cut right out of the gate... DJ Smith?? That's contributing??

                        As for the "hit rate"... that is misleading, b/c afterall, the draft is TT's only means of player procurement - of course some of those guys need to play. Just b/c they played, you can't say they "contributed"... what does "contributed" mean?? A bartender can "contribute" for a game or two...

                        What we need is impact players at the top of the draft, and fill lineup holes with vets that can provide a year or two. Mining for diamonds in the rough is all well and good, and necessary; but, a GM can't be so myopic as to say 'to hell with this years on-field product - some of my mining projects might be ready by next year'. In the mean time, the clock is ticking on blue-chip vets, and years are ticking by...

                        This years whack-a-mole disaster reared its ugly head on the OL - would it have killed TT to have signed a veteran OT who had a year left in the tank?? (no suggestions, as I'm not going to bother researching who was available). Instead, TT and MM philosophize that we can move this C/G/OT here, and that C/G/OT there, and round and round she goes...

                        There's a serious flaw in TT's approach, even though the core of his philosophy is correct.

                        We'll see moving forward, but I would bet dollars to donuts that next is a repeat of this year. We weren't good enough to win the division, and we got predictably bounced when we met a good team in the playoffs.
                        wist

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                        • Originally posted by wist43 View Post
                          We'll see moving forward, but I would bet dollars to donuts that next is a repeat of this year. We weren't good enough to win the division, and we got predictably bounced when we met a good team in the playoffs.
                          Well, that's a bet that will be won in one way or another by 31 teams next year, so I suspect you will be correct.
                          Predicting that a team will not make, or will get beat in the playoffs is about as safe a prediction as there is.

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                          • Originally posted by Patler View Post
                            Well, that's a bet that will be won in one way or another by 31 teams next year, so I suspect you will be correct.
                            Predicting that a team will not make, or will get beat in the playoffs is about as safe a prediction as there is.
                            The real problem, as Wist points out, is Thompson's attitude - the hell with this year's product.

                            If TT cared more about winning and less about his egotistical need to develop only draft picks and preferably lower-round ones, and if he'd draft more manly offensive linemen, we wouldn't be mired in such mediocrity.

                            Oh, and if we fired Dom Capers, too. Almost forgot that key element.
                            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                            KYPack

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                            • Originally posted by wist43 View Post
                              We'll see moving forward, but I would bet dollars to donuts that next is a repeat of this year.
                              I'll take that bet, but only if I get a coffee with it.

                              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                              • Moving that needle to 2/4, TT's hit rate for starter/heavy rotation player in the lowest rounds of the draft is 48%. Which is amazing, actually.
                                No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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