Do we have a Rodgers problem?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Then why did you make age-related conclusions (mostly incorrect) about my statements that did not reference age?

You did reference age. You listed the ages of all sorts of old school QBs who hit a wall around age 32. The you said something about Rodger possibly not being able to go after a couple years, comparing him to the other wall hitters.

Then you deny having any opinion about age. Your posts are bewildering. I was happy to leave it at you not offering an opinion about age and Rodgers. But then you accused me of twisting your words, or some other bad faith thing. You are impossible.

[Rutnstrut]

Agreed. I think he has lost his nerve. He certainly has lost his touch.

I really have felt for a while that he has played more gun shy when he should be a bit more gunslinger. It leads some people to accuse him of being a stat whore.

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i don't think theres a lot of accountability at 1265

a-rods fundamentals have gone to shit, and it sounds like he's pretty much calling what he wants on the field.

fat mike doesn't have the balls to say or do anything about it at this point, and TT and or mark murphy don't have the balls to say anything to rodgers or fat mike

we're also seeing just how worthless fat mike is as a head coach IMO. just like mike sherman at the end with favre, as others have already mentioned

one thing is for sure, we have not gotten things fixed like fatty has kept saying we will do. we should have moved on from mike already

we are no longer contenders with this pairing, and it doesn't look like the two of them can figure it out

its one of the reasons why most teams don't keep staff as long as we have

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i keep thinking back to the 2010 preseason (the one right after the super bowl) they had big shot clocks and horns all over the field. the QB's had like 2.5 seconds to get the ball out, even if its a throw away

thats obviously an idea thats been scrapped . and i wonder why

and where the hell are the quick hitter slants?

[Patler]

You did reference age. You listed the ages of all sorts of old school QBs who hit a wall around age 32. The you said something about Rodger possibly not being able to go after a couple years, comparing him to the other wall hitters.

Then you deny having any opinion about age. Your posts are bewildering. I was happy to leave it at you not offering an opinion about age and Rodgers. But then you accused me of twisting your words, or some other bad faith thing. You are impossible.

I'm impossible? Untrue!! Not only am I possible, I actually am. I do exist in reality, not just your imagination.

I mentioned the younger ones who at 32-33 were entering their last few years to counter your reference to Brady at 39, thus showing that there is a significant range for career longevity. I'm surprised that apparently went right over your head. (I thought you were "taller" than that). AR could be in either group, or somewhere in between. HOWEVER, his suspect play over that last season's worth of games should lead one to consider the possibilities that he will be done at 36, 37 rather than 39, 40 or later. Even 37 is not that far away for AR. Pro sports careers can be very fleeting.

[Harlan Huckleby]

At soon to be 33 years old, it is becoming more and more likely that AR and the Packers need to enter a new understanding of how to use his skills, which still are significant. ... The Packers very likely WILL have a decision to make two years from now, just as I have been saying for the last year. Should they keep their wagon hitched to the then soon to be 35 year old Aaron Rodgers, or embark on the next era with Brett Hundley

Age is your central argument. Then you deny this, and refuse to plainly state your opinion if you have one. Then you get peevish when I accept that you have no opinion.

And it's my fault for not following your brilliant analysis.

[pbmax]

and where the hell are the quick hitter slants?

Nearly getting intercepted. They have thrown more slants in these two games than at any time the last two years.

Also no more gunslinger: gunslingering yesterday produced a pick along with some nice plays.

What we need is more solid protection and for ARod to stay settled in the pocket. Then deliver the ball on time. Stop Tebowing it and waiting for single covered guy to uncover.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm impossible? Untrue!! Not only am I possible, I actually am. I do exist in reality, not just your imagination.

I mentioned the younger ones who at 32-33 were entering their last few years to counter your reference to Brady at 39, thus showing that there is a significant range for career longevity. I'm surprised that apparently went right over your head. (I thought you were "taller" than that). AR could be in either group, or somewhere in between. HOWEVER, his suspect play over that last season's worth of games should lead one to consider the possibilities that he will be done at 36, 37 rather than 39, 40 or later. Even 37 is not that far away for AR. Pro sports careers can be very fleeting.

All the age talk. Age is just a number, man.

I'm sorry we had this little spat. I have no idea what we disagree on.

[pbmax]

Could Patler and Harlan produce an executive summary about what they are arguing about?

Because I think they agree.

[Patler]

Age is your central argument. Then you deny this, and refuse to plainly state your opinion if you have one. Then you get peevish when I accept that you have no opinion.

And it's my fault for not following your brilliant analysis.

Peevish? Man you certainly take things seriously, don't you?

I said said his skills remain significant. What more do you want?
But at 35 his shelf life will be short even if he plays to 40. As I have said many times, and did with Favre, they will be faced with deciding if they want a few more years with the status quo, or move on if the next option is in house already.

[Patler]

Could Patler and Harlan produce an executive summary about what they are arguing about?

Because I think they agree.

I think you are right.

[Patler]

Nearly getting intercepted. They have thrown more slants in these two games than at any time the last two years.

Also no more gunslinger: gunslingering yesterday produced a pick along with some nice plays.

What we need is more solid protection and for ARod to stay settled in the pocket. Then deliver the ball on time. Stop Tebowing it and waiting for single covered guy to uncover.

MM did an interview way back those many years ago when AR was a mere pup in the starting lineup. He was asked what things had to change in going from Favre to Rodgers. The one thing I remember was him saying that Favre's best throw was probably the slant, and he was confident throwing it, but that wasn't true for AR. He preferred and was better at throws along the sidelines, which were not Favre's strong suit. He said game plans had to reflect what QBs were most comfortable throwing.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I have daddy issues.

[Maxie the Taxi]

[Joemailman]

MM did an interview way back those many years ago when AR was a mere pup in the starting lineup. He was asked what things had to change in going from Favre to Rodgers. The one thing I remember was him saying that Favre's best throw was probably the slant, and he was confident throwing it, but that wasn't true for AR. He preferred and was better at throws along the sidelines, which were not Favre's strong suit. He said game plans had to reflect what QBs were most comfortable throwing.

Have to wonder at this point what Rodgers is comfortable throwing.