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  • #91
    Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
    Have to wonder at this point what Rodgers is comfortable throwing.
    Tantrums?
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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    • #92
      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      Nearly getting intercepted. They have thrown more slants in these two games than at any time the last two years.

      Also no more gunslinger: gunslingering yesterday produced a pick along with some nice plays.

      What we need is more solid protection and for ARod to stay settled in the pocket. Then deliver the ball on time. Stop Tebowing it and waiting for single covered guy to uncover.
      The pick was just a bad throw, not a result of some gunslinger mentality.
      What's weird is even when he has good protection, you see the jittery happy feet get going. It's almost like the improvisational is his comfort zone, and designed plays aren't anymore. Now of course a lot of that is the designed plays not working most of the time. But he looks like he needs a sports shrink or something, he has truly psyched himself out of his own game.

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      • #93
        Looks like this isn't our secret anymore. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/aaro...en-bay-packers

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        • #94
          Originally posted by beveaux1 View Post
          Looks like this isn't our secret anymore. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/aaro...en-bay-packers
          Good piece thanks for that beveaux. Here's the big problem, though I don't see that Cobb has lost anything. He looks better than last year even though he'll never be a man-beater by himself.
          The Packers’ passing woes start with a receiving corps that simply can’t get open against man coverage. Getting Jordy Nelson back from an ACL tear was supposed to solve that issue, but Nelson hasn’t looked like the player he was before the injury. It’s not a given that the 31-year-old ever will after major knee surgery. What was once a top-five receiving corps has become a bit of a liability against teams that can match-up man-to-man.

          Davante Adams is a plodding route-runner who can’t stretch the field and has had problems with drops. Randall Cobb has slowed down a step or two and is dealing with more bodies over the middle now that teams don’t have to play a safety over the top of Nelson. Until Nelson returns to form, this group will underachieve.
          Quick hitters down the seams to Cook, Rodgers and Cobb would be a good start. They've done some of that but not enough. Then up the tempo and get defenses on their heals a bit rather than lining up and hard counting until the play clock expires. I'd say slants but unfortunately Adams can't seem to figure out that he can't let the defender cross his body on slants... When (if) Jordy gets some mobility back the sideline back shoulder should be money. Maybe Davis can make defenders want to back off some when he gets integrated more. Monty could be a beast for corners to tackle if he can get the ball in his hands isolated.
          Last edited by vince; 09-19-2016, 08:46 PM.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by vince View Post
            Monty could be a beast for corners to tackle if he can get on the field.
            FIFY
            One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
            John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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            • #96
              Good point.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Pugger View Post
                I didn't think Jordy looked slow at all. It did appear he and AR are not on the same page. I saw Abby out there a couple of times but not Monty. Janis still has that club so we won't see him at WR for a while.

                The O line issues were because they had to look away from the pass rusher to see when the ball was snapped and that gives the edge rushers a HUGE advantage and why Rodgers was strip-sacked 4 times. I hope Linsley is back soon. Until Tretter gets stronger he will be an issue in there against bigger D linemen.
                They were smart enough to go for the strip sacks, and Rodgers didn't pick up on that and secure the ball. Yeah, obviously he and Nelson weren't on the same page. However, I really thought Nelson looked slow too. I didn't see him get any separation all game, and those weren't exactly superstar Corners. Tretter not being strong enough is an over-simplification of the O Line problem. The whole group had very very few successes on run blocking, and they let the pass rush through like water just about all the time. There's hardly a game that does not happen. Rodgers' mobility is what masks the problem and wins games anyway. The Vikings found a way to deal with that mobility.

                Not using Abbrederis or Montgomery is just another way for McCarthy to put a leash on Rodgers - why the hell he would want to do that I really don't know, as weak O line and all, Rodgers can make plays. He proved that again in desperation time. Why they would be so stupid as to not let him do that for 3 1/2 quarters is really mystifying.
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                • #98
                  Disagree about the line. Defenses are pressing the line of scrimmage and with Rodgers holding the ball that puts a lot of pressure on the line. They got beat a few times for sure but they consistently see guys threatening (and hitting) gaps everywhere both rushing and filling running lanes. I think they've held up OK (not great) given who they've faced thus far. I'm a broker record here, but quick hitters and faster tempo would help the line out tremendously too.

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                  • #99
                    IMO the biggest problem is stubby continues to not make gameplans to his players strengths. He continually tries to put square pegs in round holes.

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                    • Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                      Have to wonder at this point what Rodgers is comfortable throwing.
                      His teammates under the bus?

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                      • http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports...ings/90701150/

                        McGinn talks about how Rodgers' mechanics have deteriorated. I've felt for a while that is the reason for his inaccuracy. Does MM see it as a problem? Is Rodgers still coachable? Is that calf injury a permanent problem?
                        Last edited by Joemailman; 09-19-2016, 11:38 PM.
                        I can't run no more
                        With that lawless crowd
                        While the killers in high places
                        Say their prayers out loud
                        But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                        A thundercloud
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                        • Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                          Have to wonder at this point what Rodgers is comfortable throwing.
                          Over his receivers' heads or at their feet?

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                          • Originally posted by George Cumby View Post
                            His teammates under the bus?
                            When did he do this?

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                            • Originally posted by USA Today
                              Davante Adams is a plodding route-runner who can’t stretch the field and has had problems with drops.
                              ouch

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                              • Originally posted by Pugger View Post
                                When did he do this?
                                See Janis, Jeff.

                                But you are right, Rodgers is not prone to bad-mouthing teammates. George Cumby couldn't resist a good pun.

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