Elite Pay, But Not Elite Play

[Anti-Polar Bear]

One of the lessons Belichick learned was that he wanted control of the roster. Wolf wouldn't have given him that. He was never going to be hired to coach the Packers in 2000.

Funny how thing turned out. Wolf quit shortly after hiring Sherman. Recommended Sherman be his successor.

Sherman was a poor man's Belichick, and even a poor man's Belichick is good enough to win more than a fluke Super Bowl. All Sherman needed was more time.

[Patler]

Funny how thing turned out. Wolf quit shortly after hiring Sherman. Recommended Sherman be his successor.

Sherman was a poor man's Belichick, and even a poor man's Belichick is good enough to win more than a fluke Super Bowl. All Sherman needed was more time.

With more time, things would have gotten worse and worse with Sherman as GM. The roster was deteriorating under him.

[pbmax]

Funny how thing turned out. Wolf quit shortly after hiring Sherman. Recommended Sherman be his successor.

Sherman was a poor man's Belichick, and even a poor man's Belichick is good enough to win more than a fluke Super Bowl. All Sherman needed was more time.

Don't make me post a memo about cell phones in the briefing room.

Instead just read the story of Mike Sherman, aka Colonel Kurtz: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...ll=1#post81109

Bonus Colonel Kurtz stories about almost drafting Romo!: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...l=1#post819346

[Anti-Polar Bear]

With more time, things would have gotten worse and worse with Sherman as GM. The roster was deteriorating under him.

That's just your biased opinion.

Given more time and the inflated cap Thompson has had, the math says that Sherman would've made Pack the Pats of the NFC - perhaps with a couple more Super Bowl titles.

Sherman utilized ALL aspects of the game, competently, and he had to deal with the large contracts Wolf paid out to the likes of Levens and Freeman.

[pbmax]

If only some other team had recognized the genius that was the Na'il Diggs FA contract, Joe Johnson FA contract or the Mike Wahle balloon payment. Or the handling of Mike McKenzie's holdout. Or the quality plan of succession after letting Josh Bidwell go to Tampa.

Certainly some other team recognized the man's GM talent? How many pro GM offers did Mike get before qualifying to be OC for the Dolphins?

Speaking of which, I am still searching for Bob McGinn's writeup on the Packer decision making process under Sherman. The one that detailed how he banned scouts from the discussion of draft picks after they made their reports. the in-fighting, the studious fingers in his ears approach. Anyone got a link?

[Patler]

That's just your biased opinion.

Given more time and the inflated cap Thompson has had, the math says that Sherman would've made Pack the Pats of the NFC - perhaps with a couple more Super Bowl titles.

Sherman utilized ALL aspects of the game, competently, and he had to deal with the large contracts Wolf paid out to the likes of Levens and Freeman.

Sherman made his share of big contract mistakes, too; but his biggest failing was constantly trading 2 for 1 to move up in the draft, and then drafting guys who were failures.

[Patler]

That's just your biased opinion.

Given more time and the inflated cap Thompson has had, the math says that Sherman would've made Pack the Pats of the NFC - perhaps with a couple more Super Bowl titles.

Sherman utilized ALL aspects of the game, competently, and he had to deal with the large contracts Wolf paid out to the likes of Levens and Freeman.

Of course it is my opinion, just as your statement that he just needed more time is your biased opinion.

The difference is that I am right and you are wrong!

[Rutnstrut]

I've said for a long time part time Peppers should have been cut last year. They should have traded Clay ann Mathews while they could get something for him. Cobb is over rated as hell.

[red]

a question for you older guys

back in the day when football players looked like men and didn't worry about brushing their hair at night, did guys miss half a season because of a pulled hammy?

remember the story about the tower falling on nitschke during practice and lombardi not worrying about it, cause ray was the guy trapped by the tower?

clay would have been in the training room getting treatment on something during practice and never would have been near the tower

remember when "god healed" reggie's torn, season ending hamstring, and he led us to a super bowl

not this team

[Maxie the Taxi]

a question for you older guys

back in the day when football players looked like men and didn't worry about brushing their hair at night, did guys miss half a season because of a pulled hammy?

remember the story about the tower falling on nitschke during practice and lombardi not worrying about it, cause ray was the guy trapped by the tower?

clay would have been in the training room getting treatment on something during practice and never would have been near the tower

remember when "god healed" reggie's torn, season ending hamstring, and he led us to a super bowl

not this team

You know the answer. But it was a different era and a different game then. Guys played for reasons other than money. Yes Nitschke played hurt, but then so did Starr and Hornung, most notably. I'll say this too. Guys tended to play the entire season but when they couldn't go Lombardi and Wolff went out and got capable replacements.

[woodbuck27]

Aaron Rodgers Cap Hit: 19.25 million. 15th in passing yards, 3rd in TD's, 11th in Passer Rating

Clay Matthews Cap Hit: 13.75 million Played in 5 games with 12 tackles and 3 sacks

Sam Shields Cap Hit: 12 million Played in 1 game with 3 tackles

Julius Peppers Cap Hit: 10.5 million 8 tackles, 3.5 sacks

Randall Cobb Cap Hit 9.15 million 402 receiving yards (55th in NFL) 3 TD's

Jordy Nelson Cap Hit: 8.3 million 509 receiving yards (30th in NFL) 7 TD's

About 47% of Packers salary cap tied up in these 6 players. Not a lot to show, other than Rodgers" TD passes and Jordy's TD's. Is it any wonder Packers are mediocre right now?

Rodgers isn't going anywhere. Peppers is probably in his last year with Packers. Shields could be forced to retire. If not, do Packers keep paying him? Matthews' hamstring problems have returned again. Jordy is a crafty receiver, but will he get his speed back? Cobb needs Packers to have a true #1 for him to be truly effective.

Packers have some tough decisions to make this offseason. Any thoughts?

One fact for sure. Packer Nation needs people in place that are not at all affected by emotions and retaining any man on the roster. That means Ted Thompson needs to retire or be removed.

[pbmax]

They played hurt because they were eminently replaceable parts. No one made that much more money, so to lose one to the bench was no big deal. There were 12 or 16 teams so there were tons of college players to pull from.

They needed this job and sometimes a summer job. They were in no position to say they were wrecked.

You here many stories of the old guys playing hurt. You are never told if they usually played well when hurt.

They also didn't weigh 260 pounds and run like a wideout.

[Rutnstrut]

The old guys didn't miss time due to hair problems like split ends or a bad styling as Clay is. He is a clear example of the kind of pussy that TT loves to draft.

[Maxie the Taxi]

They also didn't weigh 260 pounds and run like a wideout.

Or use performance enhancing drugs...except for tobacco and alcohol.

[Zool]

That's just your biased opinion.

No that is pretty easy to prove fact. Your inability to move beyond your pinnacle years of using dad's credit card on hookers is what causes these illusions in your mind.