Elite Pay, But Not Elite Play

[Zool]

Lombardi and Wolff went out and got capable replacements.

I think that era is over with expansion and expanded rosters/practice squads. Ask the Vikings if there are any capable left tackles available. The pickins are slim.

[Pugger]

That's just your biased opinion.

Given more time and the inflated cap Thompson has had, the math says that Sherman would've made Pack the Pats of the NFC - perhaps with a couple more Super Bowl titles.

Sherman utilized ALL aspects of the game, competently, and he had to deal with the large contracts Wolf paid out to the likes of Levens and Freeman.

If Sherman was so damn wonderful why can't he find work in the college ranks, let alone the NFL?? Are all these GMs/owners/athetic directors morons?

[pbmax]

Or use performance enhancing drugs...except for tobacco and alcohol.

And amphetamines.

[pbmax]

If Sherman was so damn wonderful why can't he find work in the college ranks, let alone the NFL?? Are all these GMs/owners/athetic directors morons?

He doesn't actually believe most of that post. He just knows it drives people crazy. Patter and I can't resist.

Zool is the only wise one who mostly refuses to engage.

[KYPack]

Whoa, Tank is right about one thing.
Sherm's ineptitude as a GM is our opinion.

Let's look at the opinion of the man who hired the PSL and eventually fired him from the GM gig.

Bob Harlan.

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Harlan was, however, never comfortable with such a consolidation of power, and grew increasingly concerned as Sherman blew high draft picks on busts and floundered in drawing free agents. “The burden changed him as a person,” Harlan said. “He became very quiet, he ignored everybody. He would get on the airplane on Saturdays, put on earphones and not talk to anybody. I made a mistake in giving Mike both jobs. It was too much.”

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[Anti-Polar Bear]

If Sherman was so damn wonderful why can't he find work in the college ranks, let alone the NFL?? Are all these GMs/owners/athetic directors morons?

They hired a basketball brass over Thompson, didn't they? Morons, indeed.

As pb unwisely posted, Sherman found work in the NFL after leaving Green Bay. Subsequently became head coach at Texas AM; taught the arts of the game to some diamond in the rough named Von Miller, turned a WR into a hotshot QB, recruited the great Johnny Football, among others.

Someone had to be the scapegoat in Miami in the aftermath of "Bullygate", and unfortunately, Sherman was the guy.

[pbmax]

As pb unwisely posted, Sherman found work in the NFL after leaving Green Bay. .

So the proof of his capable GM stewardship is being hired as Assistant Head Coach - Offense?

Even you don't seem to think much of Sherman.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

If only some other team had recognized the genius that was the Na'il Diggs FA contract, Joe Johnson FA contract or the Mike Wahle balloon payment. Or the handling of Mike McKenzie's holdout. Or the quality plan of succession after letting Josh Bidwell go to Tampa.

Certainly some other team recognized the man's GM talent? How many pro GM offers did Mike get before qualifying to be OC for the Dolphins?

Speaking of which, I am still searching for Bob McGinn's writeup on the Packer decision making process under Sherman. The one that detailed how he banned scouts from the discussion of draft picks after they made their reports. the in-fighting, the studious fingers in his ears approach. Anyone got a link?

Diggs was a solid football player. Matching the 4 year $10.5 M deal Diggs got from Detriot was a no-brainer. Thompson spent more than that, even if you take inflation into the equation, on that bum Mike Neal.

Sherman ingeniously traded the disgruntled McKenzie to New Orleans for a 2nd rounder, for which Thompson used it on some small-school safety with a low wonderlic named Nick Collins.

Letting Bidwell go, or trading up in the 3rd round to draft a punter, pale in comparison to cutting the great Jon Ryan for the noodle-legged "Scott" Frost.

Your last paragraph, those kind of shits happened, and are still happening, in New England, too. There are plenty of reports out there about ole Bill overriding his scouts for players who excited him. Again, Sherman was a poor-man's Belichick. The Shermanator just needed more time.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

So the proof of his capable GM stewardship is being hired as Assistant Head Coach - Offense?

Even you don't seem to think much of Sherman.

Sherman deserves another shot as GM and/or head coach.

NFL decision makers are morons. Why else would they hire a basketball brass over the "competent" Polar Bear?

[pbmax]

Diggs was a solid football player. Matching the 4 year $10.5 M deal Diggs got from Detriot was a no-brainer. Thompson spent more than that, even if you take inflation into the equation, on that bum Mike Neal.

Sherman ingeniously traded the disgruntled McKenzie to New Orleans for a 2nd rounder, for which Thompson used it on some small-school safety with a low wonderlic named Nick Collins.

Letting Bidwell go, or trading up in the 3rd round to draft a punter, pale in comparison to cutting the great Jon Ryan for the noodle-legged "Scott" Frost.

Your last paragraph, those kind of shits happened, and are still happening, in New England, too. There are plenty of reports out there about ole Bill overriding his scouts for players who excited him. Again, Sherman was a poor-man's Belichick. The Shermanator just needed more time.

C'mon this is no fun if you aren't going to put effort into your trolling. Mike Neal signed for 2 years and 8 million.

Unless you are a reverse conspiracy theorist and believe that we have had negative inflation for the past 10 years.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

C'mon this is no fun if you aren't going to put effort into your trolling. Mike Neal signed for 2 years and 8 million.

Unless you are a reverse conspiracy theorist and believe that we have had negative inflation for the past 10 years.

Ain't trolling, yo.

Diggs contract, signed in 2003, averaged $2.625 M/yr. That's worth about $3.44 M/yr today. 3.44 < 4.

Plus, Diggs was a far better football playa then Neal was.

[pbmax]

Ain't trolling, yo.

Diggs contract, signed in 2003, averaged $2.625 M/yr. That's worth about $3.44 M/yr today. 3.44 < 4.

Plus, Diggs was a far better football playa then Neal was.

Salary cap has increased a LOT more than the national CPI.

[pbmax]

2003 Cap was $75.0 million
2014 Cap was $133 million

Increase of 1.77

Diggs 2.625 equals 4.66 million/yr in 2014.

Neal was a bargain at Diggsian pricing levels.

[Patler]

As I recall, the mistake that Sherman made with Diggs was in the tender he offered. I believe Sherman made the low tender offer that would cost a team a draft pick in the round the player was selected. He could have offered a much higher tender, I believe even a first round tender, and gotten by cheaper than what he paid that year for Diggs by matching the offer sheet. No one would have given a 1st round pick for Diggs, but if they did, GB should have taken it an ran.

Long and short, they could have gotten another year of Diggs a lot cheaper, or a high round pick in his place.

[Sparkey]

Here are Sherman's great drafts:

2001:
1 10 Jamal Reynolds DE Florida State
2 41 Robert Ferguson WR Texas A&M
3 71 Bhawoh Jue SS Penn State
3 72 Torrance Marshall LB Oklahoma
4 105 Bill Ferrario G Wisconsin
6 198 David Martin TE Tennessee

2002:
1 20 Javon Walker WR Florida State
3 92 Marques Anderson SS UCLA
4 135 Najeh Davenport FB Miami (Fla.)
5 156 Aaron Kampman DE Iowa
5 164 Craig Nall QB Northwestern State-Louisiana
6 200 Mike Houghton G San Diego State

2003:
1 29 Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
3 79 Kenny Peterson DE Ohio State
5 147 James Lee DT Oregon State
5 166 Hunter Hillenmeyer LB Vanderbilt
6 212 Brennan Curtin T Notre Dame
7 245 Chris Johnson DB Louisville
7 253 DeAndrew Rubin -- South Florida
7 256 Carl Ford WR Toledo
7 257 Steve Josue LB Carson-Newman

2004:
1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee


After a quick review I think we should be thankful Sherman was canned when he was.