Elite Pay, But Not Elite Play

[Patler]

Here are Sherman's great drafts:
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2003:
1 29 Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
3 79 Kenny Peterson DE Ohio State
5 147 James Lee DT Oregon State
5 166 Hunter Hillenmeyer LB Vanderbilt
6 212 Brennan Curtin T Notre Dame
7 245 Chris Johnson DB Louisville
7 253 DeAndrew Rubin -- South Florida
7 256 Carl Ford WR Toledo
7 257 Steve Josue LB Carson-Newman

2004:
1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee


After a quick review I think we should be thankful Sherman was canned when he was.

It doesn't have the full effect without the following

In 2003:
He traded #94 and #127 for #79 (Kenny Peterson).
He traded #165 and #203 for #147 (James Lee).
He traded #185 and #244 for #166 to draft Hunter Hillenmeyer, who he cut and let go to the Bears.
He traded his 2004 6th round (turned out to be #185) to Philadelphis for #245 (Chris Johnson).

In 2004:
He traded #55, #86 and #118 to Jacksonville for #70 (Joey Thomas) #72 (Washington) and #102.
He then traded #102 and #153 to Miami for #87 (B.J Sander).
He traded #188 and #226 to SF for #179 (Corey Williams)
At the end of the day, he gave up #55, #86, #118, #153, #188 and #226 for
#70 - Thomas
#72 - Washington
#87 - Sander
#179 - Williams

Two year summary: 13 of the picks he went into the draft with brought 8 players; Peterson, Lee, Hillenmeyer, Johnson, Thomas, Washington, Sander and Williams. Then, he gave away Hillenmeyer, who had a decent career.

[beveaux1]

It doesn't have the full effect without the following

In 2003:
He traded #94 and #127 for #79 (Kenny Peterson).
He traded #165 and #203 for #147 (James Lee).
He traded #185 and #244 for #166 to draft Hunter Hillenmeyer, who he cut and let go to the Bears.
He traded his 2004 6th round (turned out to be #185) to Philadelphis for #245 (Chris Johnson).

In 2004:
He traded #55, #86 and #118 to Jacksonville for #70 (Joey Thomas) #72 (Washington) and #102.
He then traded #102 and #153 to Miami for #87 (B.J Sander).
He traded #188 and #226 to SF for #179 (Corey Williams)
At the end of the day, he gave up #55, #86, #118, #153, #188 and #226 for
#70 - Thomas
#72 - Washington
#87 - Sander
#179 - Williams

Two year summary: 13 of the picks he went into the draft with brought 8 players; Peterson, Lee, Hillenmeyer, Johnson, Thomas, Washington, Sander and Williams. Then, he gave away Hillenmeyer, who had a decent career.

This would be a bottom 10 GM.

[ThunderDan]

If you have to trade up to draft a punter and he can't beat out the current punter on the roster you are a bottom 1 GM.

[red]

If you have to trade up to draft a punter and he can't beat out the current punter on the roster you are a bottom 1 GM.

He should have been fired on the spot for that one

[denverYooper]

[call_me_ishmael]

Who cares about Mike Sherman? Let it go. It's time to move on. It's been, what, 11 years? Who TF cares?

[Zool]

Good lord I had purged the name Joey Thomas from my mind on purpose. How awful were he and Carroll? What a shit show.

[pbmax]

Good lord I had purged the name Joey Thomas from my mind on purpose. How awful were he and Carroll? What a shit show.

Didn't they get into a fight as well?

At least Carroll gifted us with Grabby Smurf. Who coined that one?

That Rat should get a plaque.

[pbmax]

Who cares about Mike Sherman? Let it go. It's time to move on. It's been, what, 11 years? Who TF cares?

We were provoked!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0&t=173

[Smidgeon]

Didn't they get into a fight as well?

At least Carroll gifted us with Grabby Smurf. Who coined that one?

That Rat should get a plaque.

I believe the proper name was Grabby McSmurf.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

2003 Cap was $75.0 million
2014 Cap was $133 million

Increase of 1.77

Diggs 2.625 equals 4.66 million/yr in 2014.

Neal was a bargain at Diggsian pricing levels.

Whatever.

To quote Harlan, lets just "agree to disagree without being agreeable."

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Here are Sherman's great drafts:

2001:
1 10 Jamal Reynolds DE Florida State
2 41 Robert Ferguson WR Texas A&M
3 71 Bhawoh Jue SS Penn State
3 72 Torrance Marshall LB Oklahoma
4 105 Bill Ferrario G Wisconsin
6 198 David Martin TE Tennessee

2002:
1 20 Javon Walker WR Florida State
3 92 Marques Anderson SS UCLA
4 135 Najeh Davenport FB Miami (Fla.)
5 156 Aaron Kampman DE Iowa
5 164 Craig Nall QB Northwestern State-Louisiana
6 200 Mike Houghton G San Diego State

2003:
1 29 Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
3 79 Kenny Peterson DE Ohio State
5 147 James Lee DT Oregon State
5 166 Hunter Hillenmeyer LB Vanderbilt
6 212 Brennan Curtin T Notre Dame
7 245 Chris Johnson DB Louisville
7 253 DeAndrew Rubin -- South Florida
7 256 Carl Ford WR Toledo
7 257 Steve Josue LB Carson-Newman

2004:
1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee


After a quick review I think we should be thankful Sherman was canned when he was.

The 2001 draft class was Wolf's last, not Sherman's first. A lame duck GM, Wolf apparently didn't give a fuck about it. Probably should've taken LB Dan Morgan instead, or traded down and take Ocho Cinco. Also, Ferguson over Chambers was pretty idiotic.

You forgot to bold Corey Williams. The DT wasn't Suh-elite, but he was good enough to net Thompson a 2nd rounder, for which the Polar Bear incompetently wasted on the great Brian Brohm.

Chris Johnson was a diamond in the rough. Fast as fuck but needed time to develop. Went on to have a nice career in Oakland after Thompson incompetently traded him to the Rams for Robert Thomas, who spent one Hades-awful season in Green Bay.

[pbmax]

You forgot to bold Corey Williams. The DT wasn't Suh-elite, but he was good enough to net Thompson a 2nd rounder, for which the Polar Bear incompetently wasted on the great Brian Brohm.

Its good we can agree that in most cases, it took Thompson to clean up Mike's messes.

Also, Tank you know that Wolf fessed up later that Sherman wanted a pass rusher in the first round and he didn't feel he could deny the new guy his man.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

It doesn't have the full effect without the following

In 2003:
He traded #94 and #127 for #79 (Kenny Peterson).
He traded #165 and #203 for #147 (James Lee).
He traded #185 and #244 for #166 to draft Hunter Hillenmeyer, who he cut and let go to the Bears.
He traded his 2004 6th round (turned out to be #185) to Philadelphis for #245 (Chris Johnson).

In 2004:
He traded #55, #86 and #118 to Jacksonville for #70 (Joey Thomas) #72 (Washington) and #102.
He then traded #102 and #153 to Miami for #87 (B.J Sander).
He traded #188 and #226 to SF for #179 (Corey Williams)
At the end of the day, he gave up #55, #86, #118, #153, #188 and #226 for
#70 - Thomas
#72 - Washington
#87 - Sander
#179 - Williams

Two year summary: 13 of the picks he went into the draft with brought 8 players; Peterson, Lee, Hillenmeyer, Johnson, Thomas, Washington, Sander and Williams. Then, he gave away Hillenmeyer, who had a decent career.

How convenient of you to omit the trade up for J-Walk. Or how Sherman ingeniously traded a 2 for shutdown corner Al Harris. You should be the "biased" rat, not "fact" rat.

Hillenmeyer didn't do shit in the preseason to make the team.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Its good we can agree that in most cases, it took Thompson to clean up Mike's messes.

Also, Tank you know that Wolf fessed up later that Sherman wanted a pass rusher in the first round and he didn't feel he could deny the new guy his man.

Clean up Sherman's messes? lol. Polar Bear's so incompetent, take him back to the Devine days, and he wound fail miserably to clean up the mess left by Devine's dog after someone shot it.

If anything, the Polar Bear attempted to discredit Sherman by getting rid of players such as Walker, Barnett, Williams and Cullen Jenkins while all were still in their primes.

Wolf still had final say. And he had an ego that was bigger than that of the Roman god Jupiter. If Wolf didn't like Reynolds, Reynolds would never have been a Packer bust.