The Elephant In The Room

[RashanGary]

This packer team just lost the NFCC game. They've won a sb with this coaching staff. The problem was players, not coaching. RB and CB hurt this team this year. Good team, but need to do a little better.

[Rutnstrut]

This packer team just lost the NFCC game. They've won a sb with this coaching staff. The problem was players, not coaching. RB and CB hurt this team this year. Good team, but need to do a little better.

The problem is that is the company line EVERY year since that SB. Weren't you touting their offensive and defensive backfields just a short while ago? Coaching is part of this equation. Capers is mediocre at best. He would probably be serviceable if TT would actually give him some talent

[run pMc]

Honestly, I'm surprised they made it to the NFCC game with the cornerbacks they had. Sucks that they lost, but there are plenty of teams who would call making it that far a great year. Plus, it's not like they make the playoff on fluke seasons like the rest of the NFCN seems to.

[Strange Brew]

The Rip-a-fart-puke-ski fumble took the wind right out of the Packers sails! No excuse for that....PERIOD!!!!

[Smidgeon]

Somethings got to change for sure. I don't really even know if it's Capers fault or not. This D has ranged from Suspect to Dreadful for many years now. They were suspect the year they went to the super bowl, but turned out to be good enough to get by. Other than that it's just varying degrees of crappiness. I fear they will let AR rot just like they did Favre unless someone wakes up and decides to alter things. I don't think they need to completely scrap everything. I think developing young players is good for longevity. However, they need to do a lot better at using FAs to fill in the other areas. It can be done. The Patsies do it every year. Plugging in players who are will to go there to try to win a Super Bowl. We've gotta do a little more of that I think in order to firm this D up.

2010 Packers

#2 Scoring Defense
#5 Yards Defense
#6 Turnovers
#4 First Downs Allowed
#4 Passing Touchdowns Allowed
#2 Interceptions
#2 Rushing Touchdowns Allowed
#2 Sacks

Hardly "suspect". In fact, pretty damn good.

This was a poor year defensively for the pass defense, but 1) it wasn't the worst it's been and 2) don't let revisionist history spoil what actually was accomplished. Capers has a long history of turning his first couple years into great defenses then fading. It very well might be time to turn the keys over to someone else. But the 2010 defense was great.

I couldn't find defensive scoring (e.g. INTs returned for touchdowns), but I remember that being really good that year too. Don't remember if that was the year they set an NFL record for INT return yardage or not.

[Pugger]

The problem is that is the company line EVERY year since that SB. Weren't you touting their offensive and defensive backfields just a short while ago? Coaching is part of this equation. Capers is mediocre at best. He would probably be serviceable if TT would actually give him some talent

Dom may retire but he couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. No pass rush and practice squad corners against that offense was a recipe for disaster. This game was probably the one where it would have been better to take the ball first instead of deferring. The injury carnage continued all throughout the game. Didn't we run out of O linemen at the end?

[Smidgeon]

Dom may retire but he couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. No pass rush and practice squad corners against that offense was a recipe for disaster. This game was probably the one where it would have been better to take the ball first instead of deferring. The injury carnage continued all throughout the game. Didn't we run out of O linemen at the end?

Yep. Apparently Guinn got some play at guard during the last series.

[Rutnstrut]

That's another issue. Why the fuck are Packer players getting hurt more than other players?

[woodbuck27]

Dom may retire but he couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. No pass rush and practice squad corners against that offense was a recipe for disaster. This game was probably the one where it would have been better to take the ball first instead of deferring. The injury carnage continued all throughout the game. Didn't we run out of O linemen at the end?

'' Dom may retire but he couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. No pass rush and practice squad corners against that offense was a recipe for disaster. '' Pugger

Exactly and you do not have to look any further for blame there and the Packer GM.

The Green Bay Packer Roster is in serious condition in terms of any real talent and the absolute need in the NFL for a solid Pass Rush and something a lot better to even represent a decent pass protection and defensive secondary.

What we the fans are seeing year after year and the teams we support is simply not working and as long as it remains without a major change it will continue to fizzle in terms of any real hope and a Super Bowl.

We need to see hope in realistic terms.

We need to see some real change in vision and attitude at the top in order for us the fans to really believe again. It was in your faces yesterday. That Packer team was beaten before it stepped on the field in Atlanta. That Packer team was not going to compete. It is very sad when we see a game where the most impressive player on the Packer offensive side of the ball was a man Jordy Nelson who suffered two broken ribs two weeks ago. We saw a Packer team with defensive backs that would not have competed well against top flight College teams. The Packer defensive backfield is a certain mess and Ted Thompson brought those players to Green Bay. Ted Thompson's way is not working Packerrats. He needs to smarten up now and cut all the chaff and get all the CAP money he needs to put a better quality product on the field. Ted Thompson needs to change or the window to see another Super Bowl game with Packers and Aaron Rodgers is going to shut.

Realistically Packerrats Ted Thompson has to step down. After that changes will be made and there will be an adjustment period and we can only hope that all takes place in 3-4 years time and the Green Bay Packers are in another Super Bowl game.

[bobblehead]

The Rip-a-fart-puke-ski fumble took the wind right out of the Packers sails! No excuse for that....PERIOD!!!!

yea, that was a case of stubby. Michaels ran backwards and danced a bit the play before instead of plunging forward to either get the first or be a tad short and MM was pissed so next time around he gave Rip the ball. I get it, but it backfired bad.

[bobblehead]

That's another issue. Why the fuck are Packer players getting hurt more than other players?

This is the real elephant in the room. Even aikman asked it in passing. Why does GB, year after year, land so damn many players on season ending IR. It used to be called bad luck, but 10 years later there is an issue. I have long said its because we don't practice hitting like we play games hitting and that leads to bad tackling and bad contact. Bad contact leads to injuries. But I am just speculating. What I know for sure is that at this point its a trend, not a fluke.

[mmmdk]

This is the real elephant in the room. Even aikman asked it in passing. Why does GB, year after year, land so damn many players on season ending IR. It used to be called bad luck, but 10 years later there is an issue. I have long said its because we don't practice hitting like we play games hitting and that leads to bad tackling and bad contact. Bad contact leads to injuries. But I am just speculating. What I know for sure is that at this point its a trend, not a fluke.

Could very well be. It's strange but not a coincidence anymore. The same goes for soccer, if you don't tackle in practice as in games (sans risky ones) you will be bettered in many more duels during games and more injuries will occur. I know so, because I played soccer all my youth and still kick a little around for fun during summer. I've even coached young ones (6-8 and 8-10 year old boys). Alas, that was more than 15 years ago.

[Maxie the Taxi]

This game was probably the one where it would have been better to take the ball first instead of deferring.

My thought exactly. I wondered about that from the start. I would love to know what Stubby was thinking there. In fact, I'd give anything to know what his strategy was going into this game,i.e., did he expect a shoot-out? Did he think our defense would stop or slow down Ryan?What did he think of Atlanta's defense? How did he plan to attack given Atlanta's strengths or compensate for our weaknesses? Something tells me it was business as usual with him. IMO he approached this game exactly as he had Dallas.

[pbmax]

That's another issue. Why the fuck are Packer players getting hurt more than other players?

I'm not certain they are. Football Outsiders has injury stats. The Packers are up and down like a lot of teams.

Not sure if it was 2014 or 15, but they just had a healthy year. That was after a terrible year or two. And prior to that, they were one of the healthiest teams in the League.

[pbmax]

My thought exactly. I wondered about that from the start. I would love to know what Stubby was thinking there. In fact, I'd give anything to know what his strategy was going into this game,i.e., did he expect a shoot-out? Did he think our defense would stop or slow down Ryan?What did he think of Atlanta's defense? How did he plan to attack given Atlanta's strengths or compensate for our weaknesses? Something tells me it was business as usual with him. IMO he approached this game exactly as he had Dallas.

Its the same as it always is. He expects his guys to start fast, and win early battles. They don't fall behind much, so he expects to see a lead and wants the ball to start the second half.

Problem is, he should have been as worried about the Falcons offense as he has been about Seattle's D and the Patriots everything and forgotten about the odds of getting a lead early without the ball to start.

Are we sure they deferred? I missed the coin toss.