"TED THOMPSONS FORMULA FOR SUCCESS SIZZLES ""

[th87]

It's completely valid. Bb and tb went 10 years without winning a sb. Best coach/qb maybe of all time.

The Patriots had already won 3 SBs in 4 years prior to the "drought". That itself should invalidate any Patriots/Packers comparison. But even if we just forget that fact:

During the 10 year drought, the Patriots at worst reached their conference championship 5 times. They were thwarted from SB victories by a miraculous helmet catch and a Welker drop.

While the Packers have only gotten two playoff byes in 9 years of Rodgers.

At 20,000 feet away, you can't tell the difference between Angelina Jolie and Lena Dunham either.

[th87]

So other than the Patriots, who would you say has met or exceeded the Packers' success over the last 13 years?

Also, Dan fucking Marino went to one Super Bowl and actually had 4-5 straight seasons of sub .500 records (not fact checked). Stop saying that a QB automatically means you get to win the Super Bowl. It's stupid and makes you look stupid.

Marino is the outlier; he was a victim of terrible team management.

The greats include Montana, Brady, Manning, Marino, and Rodgers. The first three have multiple SB appearances and wins.

The Packers should too.

[th87]

I think McGinn's game analyses and his draft coverage are often very good; I think his opinion pieces are garbage. This one is the latter.
Eagles fans were howling at the time of the trade; how could they give Rowe away? The answer was they had him at about #5 on their DB depth chart coming out of camp. My guess is TT was interested but the asking price was too much and the Pats got lucky rolling the dice.
I also don't think the way the Packers played in the NFCC would have changed much by 1 or 2 players like Rowe; the whole team played flat and made a lot of mistakes. They would have needed an in-prime Charles Woodson and the ghost of Reggie White to win.

Perhaps not, but maybe they win the Redskins and Titans games, and end up with home field advantage.

[vince]

I have no dispute at all with any of the bad mouthing of McGinn, and homer that I am, I think the Packers certainly ought to win another Super Bowl or more than one. If/when it happens, though, it will be in spite of Ted Thompson, not because of him - except for the great decision of taking Aaron Rodgers of course.

Please forgive the nonbelievers among us Great One, for they know not the error of their ways.

May the mysterious virtues of victory be bestowed upon us as we band together, bow to his Greatness and thus call upon him to deliver us from the darkness of tyranny - and through his wisdom, enlighten our path to the promised land.

For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory of Bob's, now and forever.

[bobblehead]

I'm obviously a lot different. I take great joy in the ride, as well as in being intellectually realistic about what's happening and growing from the experiences and lessons gained by all the successes and failures along the way.

I agree largely. I enjoyed the run. We went from 4-6 to NFCC game. We got beat by a better team this time. When we lost to the seahawks I was miserable. We lost to an inferior team that we beat up and down the field. That was the time to bitch.

Losing Shields was huge. Losing the next 2 sucked ass. If we want to bitch about ted we should keep it to the things that are TRULY being honest. Time to make Clay take a big paycut and stay at ILB.

Also, this would be a good year to grab a FA. Peppers off the books, Shields off the books. Clay takes a cut. We will have money.

[bobblehead]

Wolf, Holmgren and Harlan taught him all there is to know for all time. And he will make Thompson continue to pay the price for not heeding or even adequately respecting his timeless mastery of what it really takes to win.

The true irony is that TT has as many superbowl wins as those 3 guys. I would like to check his overall win % with GB and stack it up with them.

[bobblehead]

During the 10 year drought, the Patriots at worst reached their conference championship 5 times. They were thwarted from SB victories by a miraculous helmet catch and a Welker drop.
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Sounds like excuses made by losers to me. Like if I were to say that Hyde had a pick go right through his fingers that would have put us in the superbowl instead of SF.

[bobblehead]

Marino is the outlier; he was a victim of terrible team management.

The greats include Montana, Brady, Manning, Marino, and Rodgers. The first three have multiple SB appearances and wins.

The Packers should too.

What about Bradshaw and Staubach? Lets look at the other failure GM's that wasted great QB's. Tarkenton, Kelly, Manning and Elway until the bitter end, Brees, Moon, Fouts, McNabb, and lets not forget...Colts are totally wasting Lucks prime. Its almost as if a great QB doesn't guarantee a superbowl win.

[pbmax]

Wins by a quarterback is a terrible measure for any individual on the team. Wins are a great metric for management and head coaches.

The problem for Ted and Mike is not matching up to the Patriots. Great coach, good GM, great QB. AFC East and AFC in general help them out quite a lot.

The problem for Ted and Mike is that the Seachickens, Steelers and Giants have been there twice. Packers should have joined the group in 2014.

[pbmax]

What about Bradshaw and Staubach? Lets look at the other failure GM's that wasted great QB's. Tarkenton, Kelly, Manning and Elway until the bitter end, Brees, Moon, Fouts, McNabb, and lets not forget...Colts are totally wasting Lucks prime. Its almost as if a great QB doesn't guarantee a superbowl win.

Bradshaw makes a hash about Super Bowl wins making a QB great. He wouldn't be top 10 without 4 super bowl wins, yet two of them were defense and running game.

[pbmax]

Bradshaw makes a hash about Super Bowl wins making a QB great. He wouldn't be top 10 without 4 super bowl wins, yet two of them were defense and running game.

Same with Troy Aikman.

[Tony Oday]

So other than the Patriots, who would you say has met or exceeded the Packers' success over the last 13 years?

Also, Dan fucking Marino went to one Super Bowl and actually had 4-5 straight seasons of sub .500 records (not fact checked). Stop saying that a QB automatically means you get to win the Super Bowl. It's stupid and makes you look stupid.

That was when you could tackle WR during their routes practically. Marino would be devastating in the NFL if he was in his prime now.

[vince]

I agree largely. I enjoyed the run. We went from 4-6 to NFCC game. We got beat by a better team this time. When we lost to the seahawks I was miserable. We lost to an inferior team that we beat up and down the field. That was the time to bitch.

Losing Shields was huge. Losing the next 2 sucked ass. If we want to bitch about ted we should keep it to the things that are TRULY being honest. Time to make Clay take a big paycut and stay at ILB.

Also, this would be a good year to grab a FA. Peppers off the books, Shields off the books. Clay takes a cut. We will have money.

Agree with all of that (mostly). I agree Clay should take a cut but that one's a lot more complex than that. He's (publicly at least) been a consummate team-first guy, and he needs to stay healthy for once.

And while it's by no means absolute, there is equity that can be built - perhaps leveraged in other meaningful ways elsewhere - by upholding the team's commitment to the integrity of the player-organization relationship, particularly when the player has visibly to both teammates and public - upheld it first.

That said, I still would like to see his deal redone somehow - ideally without extending it - because given his injury history, age and explosion-based skillset, he could be a guy that falls quickly. I'm not sure how easy all that will be to deal with, nor am I sure how it can be done without outright pissing Clay off, and possibly undermining the foundation of trust with the entire team.

It should be done from a business perspective but shouldn't be done from a culture perspective.

I also think Clay should move around more than be locked in at either OLB or ILB. He wasn't great in coverage inside, and while he still needs to be accounted for when healthy, his impact is limited going up against opponents' best pass blocker all day long outside.

[Pugger]

I agree largely. I enjoyed the run. We went from 4-6 to NFCC game. We got beat by a better team this time. When we lost to the seahawks I was miserable. We lost to an inferior team that we beat up and down the field. That was the time to bitch.

Losing Shields was huge. Losing the next 2 sucked ass. If we want to bitch about ted we should keep it to the things that are TRULY being honest. Time to make Clay take a big paycut and stay at ILB.

Also, this would be a good year to grab a FA. Peppers off the books, Shields off the books. Clay takes a cut. We will have money.

And this fan base is still not over that loss to Seattle.

[Pugger]

So other than the Patriots, who would you say has met or exceeded the Packers' success over the last 13 years?

Also, Dan fucking Marino went to one Super Bowl and actually had 4-5 straight seasons of sub .500 records (not fact checked). Stop saying that a QB automatically means you get to win the Super Bowl. It's stupid and makes you look stupid.

One team that has been almost as successful as we have been since 2005 is the Steelers. If you read their forums today those fans are not bitching like we are. There are a couple of assistants they have no use for but you don't see posts calling for the heads of their GM and/or HC. They are not pissing and moaning about another "Participation Trophy" even tho their team lost handily to NE in the AFCC game. They basically think their was season successful even tho they came up short of the ultimate prize. I visit other Packers forums and when anyone suggests this was a successful season other posters will rail on them and tell that that person he/she is a delusional homer and an idiot. It seems our fans are upset because we are allowing yet another HOF QB to rot and not win more than one ring.