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  • Brian Gutekunst, Making No Sense

    Not off to a terrific start here, as he makes a hash of the numbers he is being given. If he was Wolf, he would have ignored numbers entirely, told a Madden story about how a chicken on a practice field helped them discover Cliff Branch and gave them a play idea. Then he would close with speed kills but you have to be careful not to just get track guys.

    For the record, the Sportsradar stuff is game numbers, not 40 times, Brian. And I suspect that the slowness is most attributable to the Packers favorite route being an 8 yard stop and turnaround, looking for directions from the QB.

    Using data from Sportradar, which gathers information from computer chips in the players' shoulder pads, the article found the Packers’ pass catchers to be the slowest in the NFL last season. The average speed of their receivers was 11.74 mph, more than two-tenths of a second slower than the Oakland Raiders, who ranked 31st, and 1.58 seconds behind the league-leading Los Angeles Rams.

    “To be honest with you, I didn’t see it,” general manager Brian Gutekunst said of the study. “It doesn’t bother me. I think we always want to get faster, but I’m not too concerned with what outside sources have to say about our group. I know there’s really good football players in that group, guys that have done a lot of good things in this league. I think speed is important, it’s a very important part of the game. At the same time, being a well-rounded football player is (just) as important.

    “People obviously make a big deal about the (40-yard dash) time. The 40 time is really to kind of confirm what you see on film. And if there’s a difference between the 40 time and what you saw on film, then you just go back to the tape and try to figure it out. I think people put too much stock into that 40 time.”
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    As for the subject of that report, it sounds like they should sign DJ Chark's cousins, who are all faster than he is.

    Chark first recognized his gift of speed around the age of 6, when he would race his older cousins around the yard. He never beat them, which made Chark fume as he returned home, but the difference in age offered context that foretold of his athletic success.

    “My parents used to say I would get mad when I lost and I used to just go out and just run back and forth trying to redeem myself,” Chark said. “I think that’s when I realized I had pretty good speed.”
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #3
      Not worried. I think you're reading too much into that. BG wasn't confusing 40 times with the sportrac crap. He was making some broad statement about 40 times. Translates roughly to your "speed kills but you have to be careful not to just get track guys."

      Anyway, the role of 'reporters' now is not to report, but to generate controversy. Beware.
      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
        Not worried. I think you're reading too much into that. BG wasn't confusing 40 times with the sportrac crap. He was making some broad statement about 40 times. Translates roughly to your "speed kills but you have to be careful not to just get track guys."

        Anyway, the role of 'reporters' now is not to report, but to generate controversy. Beware.
        Agreed. Also, he could be all about getting speed guys, but it would do no good to show his hand ahead of the draft. The proof will be in who he drafts.
        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
          Agreed. Also, he could be all about getting speed guys, but it would do no good to show his hand ahead of the draft. The proof will be in who he drafts.
          Right. And BG trained at the feet of the master, so it's unlikely that he'll stray too far.

          TT has always had tension picking guys with athletic skills over football knack. When you draft at the end of rounds, you have to find 'unconventional' ways to pick Pro Bowl level guys. One method is to bring in raw athletes (Shields) and another is to pick young guys and expect they'll mature (Clark). You have to get a reasonable number of these guys right, or you'll never replenish your roster, but I suspect the bust rate is higher. The other guys who have 'good measurables' won't fall to you and the guys who 'look solid' will have a lower ceiling.
          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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          • #6
            The average speed your WR's moved over the course of the season is a pretty worthless stat. How fast your WR's can run is one tiny component lumped in with things like: How much press coverage does your team face? How much of their yards come after contact? How many direction changes were in the routes they ran?
            70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 3irty1 View Post
              The average speed your WR's moved over the course of the season is a pretty worthless stat. How fast your WR's can run is one tiny component lumped in with things like: How much press coverage does your team face? How much of their yards come after contact? How many direction changes were in the routes they ran?
              I have to go look at what's available on the methodology. For some of that (routes) they could make adjustments. The speed numbers could be an average of their top speeds during the game. Not the entire distance by time they ran.
              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                Agreed. Also, he could be all about getting speed guys, but it would do no good to show his hand ahead of the draft. The proof will be in who he drafts.
                Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                Not worried. I think you're reading too much into that. BG wasn't confusing 40 times with the sportrac crap. He was making some broad statement about 40 times. Translates roughly to your "speed kills but you have to be careful not to just get track guys."

                Anyway, the role of 'reporters' now is not to report, but to generate controversy. Beware.
                Someone has to be the 10th Man.


                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                  Someone has to be the 10th Man.
                  good call. Already too many zombies on the roster.
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                    Agreed. Also, he could be all about getting speed guys, but it would do no good to show his hand ahead of the draft. The proof will be in who he drafts.
                    The proof is actually in the pudding.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                      good call. Already too many zombies on the roster.
                      They could at least bring in more zombies from 28 Days Later.
                      When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by denverYooper View Post
                        They could at least bring in more zombies from 28 Days Later.
                        See, that's the problem with the new CBA - it used to be you had 28 weeks to train new zombies. Those zombies are more ferocious pass-rushers.
                        "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                        • #13
                          Fast zombies are wrong. Zombies are slow, plodding and as inexorable as your own mortality.

                          Fast zombies pander to the vapid, adhd, instant gratification mindset of millennials and the iGeneration.

                          Just say ‘No’ to fast zombies.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                            Not off to a terrific start here, as he makes a hash of the numbers he is being given. If he was Wolf, he would have ignored numbers entirely, told a Madden story about how a chicken on a practice field helped them discover Cliff Branch and gave them a play idea. Then he would close with speed kills but you have to be careful not to just get track guys.

                            For the record, the Sportsradar stuff is game numbers, not 40 times, Brian. And I suspect that the slowness is most attributable to the Packers favorite route being an 8 yard stop and turnaround, looking for directions from the QB.



                            http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...rs/1065776001/
                            My take away was that MM sucks as a coach. We have 2 speed demons but he insists on playing slow plodding old receivers.
                            The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 3irty1 View Post
                              The average speed your WR's moved over the course of the season is a pretty worthless stat. How fast your WR's can run is one tiny component lumped in with things like: How much press coverage does your team face? How much of their yards come after contact? How many direction changes were in the routes they ran?
                              How much time was spent "fading" along the zone while ARod scrambled?
                              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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