McCarthy Has To Go

[Bretsky]

I'm not loyal to MM. I'm grateful for what he has done but if he's fired tomorrow, fine - just as long as we have someone better in mind. I asked pbmax for examples of coaches we should consider to replace MM and I'm still waiting for a response.

What if we go deep into the playoffs this coming season but don't win the SB. Would you all still be calling for his head on a platter?

[Bretsky]

you are very loyal to MM, maybe more so than any packer fan posting on any board

like you are with everything involving the packers. a player could get drunk and drive through the mall plowing people over on live TV, and you would be on here saying it didn't happen because a packer would never do something like that

you are the epitome of the kool aide drinking homer, i don't think i've ever seen you say one bad thing about anything associated with the team, or even just something not over the top positive about it

I have to be in the top 10 Anti Kool Aiders

But I don't get the MM hate; I just don't get it

[pbmax]

I'm not loyal to MM. I'm grateful for what he has done but if he's fired tomorrow, fine - just as long as we have someone better in mind. I asked pbmax for examples of coaches we should consider to replace MM and I'm still waiting for a response.

What if we go deep into the playoffs this coming season but don't win the SB. Would you all still be calling for his head on a platter?

1. I only have a limited amount of time to engage in this stuff!

2. It depends on how the team plays. A deep playoff run shouldn't be (but probably would be) a get out of jail free card for a new deal. But if the offense looks like the greatest hits plus better RBs then I would advocate dumping him even with a winning record.

I have underestimated him before. Maybe he reworks the offense and even without another D Adams find they light up the scoreboard. If that is the case, then I was wrong. but I sense creeping self satisfaction working its way in.

[pbmax]

I am going to assume that is 5 claps for firing his butt after a deep playoff run until you specify otherwise.

[Bretsky]

I am going to assume that is 5 claps for firing his butt after a deep playoff run until you specify otherwise.

NO; this thread completely baffles me.

MM is one of the top 10 coaches in the National Football League

Would you disagree ???

[pbmax]

NO; this thread completely baffles me.

MM is one of the top 10 coaches in the National Football League

Would you disagree ???

Overall? Yes. Today? No.

I think he has decided that the problems with the team and its less successful forays in the playoffs are mostly to do with player acquisition. And that spells trouble for me. He's made his share of mistakes in identifying players who can contribute.

The year of the great WR wipeout was probably not going to end in a Super Bowl trophy, though he still managed to blow that Cardinal playoff game by not going for 2.

And the year of the great CB plague was equally tough, but lots of talent deficient teams still play better pass D than his team did.

I could be wrong. We could still be reading the talent on the team to be more than it is. But I think he has underperformed of late.

[red]

Red's post brings up the philosophical question, who are the Green Bay Packers, really? Is it the GM? The ubiquitous owners? The president of the team? The players, who change every year? The coach?

its a great question

i have no answer

[woodbuck27]

The Head Coach on any team is important and particularly so for any NFL Team.

I watch Mike McCarthy very closely. I read what he says. I watch his Media conferences. I watch how he 'jives and chucks' or otherwise 'his manipulations'.

I see him frankly as ... GREASY. He reminds me a lot of too mauy Politicians; and I don't care for Politicians I would advise anyone when it comes to Mike McCarthy don;t turn your back on him or imagine you can trust him.

Am I the only Packerfan that feels he should have already been FIRED or is nearing the end? NO !

Here are Examples of other Packer fans on the merits of retaining Mike McCarthy as the Green Bay Packers Head Coach:

Fan A: " I agree with Packer Fan 'obviously SMART (see this Fans remark below) ! There is nothing special about MM. He has had the luxury of having a Hall of Fame QB his whole career and has 1 Super Bowl appearance (luckily a win). His 10-8 playoff record includes a 1-3 in NFC Championship games including losing a game with a 16-0 lead. Not having his backup QB ready to play is HIS responsibility. He is the one that stood pat with Callahan and Hundley as his backups. Hundley will NEVER be ready for prime time (anyone could see that) and Callahan is probably not the answer either, but MM decided that the Packers would be OK at that position. You can't blame the GM for MM's shortcomings."

Fan B: " I don't think MM has given Callahan a fair shot at No. 2. With Hundley playing as bad as he has, you'd think Callahan would have been given that shot to succeed. I wonder, how many players could have been great players if some coaches had given some players a fair shot. And on the flip-side, MM has given a lot of time for certain players to succeed, only finally having to release them. I question his ability to recognize talent and potential. Just think... without A. Rodgers, MM is a sub-par head coach.

I can still remember during the NFL Championship game against Seattle when MM got Morgan Burnett to down the ball after an interception that he could have ran back another 20 yards or more. That play might have hurt the Packers as much as the muffed on-side kick did. The TE that muffed the kick was immediately released, but MM kept his job. There were a lot of mistakes during the last 4 minutes of that game, and who was really at fault? "

Fan C: " Hundley did his best, but it seemed like his first day ever running a play.
Look around, look around, look around. Get happy feet, start jitter-bugging, then take a sack or "rush" for 3 yards.Does a professional football team let a guy on the field in that condition? "

Fan D: " Totally agree about Callahan, no way shouldn't he have gotten some quality playing time. MM totally dropped the ball on this one sticking with Hundley so long. "

Fan E: " I've been saying this for two years now... cannot agree more. It doesn't get any easier with the current schedule, MM will be under the microscope in 2018. He is an average coach IMO. "

Fan F: " With the Teams we have had we should have went to at least 4 Super Bowls under MM. We could have been the Dynasty that New England has become."

Fan G :" M.M. has been riding a HOFers coat tails for too long.Even Wayne Fonts could have won a Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers."

Fan H: " McCarthy’s coaching in the very clutch moments of a game have been very questionable and his behavioral patterns are clearly recognized by football savvy fans and opposing coaches. Predictability is not a good thing. A coach of his experience not learning from his mistakes Is inexcusable. Not an easy job but with probably a top three QB of all time one title is very telling and Mike Murphy has to have a higher standard of performance other than making the playoffs. Two titles between Favre and Rodgers is an absolute joke. Enough said."

This one 'nails it' and Mike McCarthy needing to go:

Packer Fan 'obviously SMART': " MM definitely had input over who was going to be on the roster, especially at the QB position. He failed to ensure his position coaches were doing their jobs making sure the backups were ready (see def backfield). Therefore, he failed to accomplish his job as the head coach. When the personnel under you fail, it’s your fault. "

Final Comment and this Post:

Frankly too many Packer fans are tired of his worn out nonsense. It's not just some Packerrats and sick of MM's act. All the above comments look familiar because they clearly speak as we all have seen it go down. There's nothing about the above that should be startlingly new.

I'm a fair person:

When it gets to where it has; 'the writing is on the wall', and Mike McCarthy should gracefully decide this Season is his last as the Packers Head Coach.

[Pugger]

i grew up on those 70's and 80's teams

so, wrong

i just don't wake up every morning thinking the sun shines out of the ass of the packers organization. me and others can actually see some of the negatives in the organization

i believe you were one of the people i mentioned in another thread awhile back. who couldn't fathom how any of us could every want to get rid of such a great defensive coach like capers, or a great GM like TT. and then after it happened, you liked the moves, because the packers did it, and the packers can do no wrong

Huh? You must be confusing me with someone else. I was never that big of a Capers fan and was more than ready to let him go a couple of years ago. Keeping Capers around so damn long is one of my pet peeves when it comes to MM. Some of game day decisions drive me crazy too. Like I told Woody, I have no problem with going in a different direction with MM as long as his replacement is better.

[Pugger]

Overall? Yes. Today? No.

I think he has decided that the problems with the team and its less successful forays in the playoffs are mostly to do with player acquisition. And that spells trouble for me. He's made his share of mistakes in identifying players who can contribute.

The year of the great WR wipeout was probably not going to end in a Super Bowl trophy, though he still managed to blow that Cardinal playoff game by not going for 2.

And the year of the great CB plague was equally tough, but lots of talent deficient teams still play better pass D than his team did.

I could be wrong. We could still be reading the talent on the team to be more than it is. But I think he has underperformed of late.

He has under performed if the goal is winning a SB. But not many teams are gonna fire their HC after his team makes the playoffs 8 straight years. Its too bad Hundley was terrible but like I said in another thread - not making the playoffs last year might be a blessing in disguise. It finally forced MM to can Capers and other defensive coaches, Ted retired and we will now draft at a better spot than we have in eons. I want to see what will now happen with a new DC and a more aggressive GM before I give MM his pink slip..

[bobblehead]

for those who keep asking who we should replace MM with....Frank Reich. Mark my words, next former below average NFL QB to be a good HC.

[Pugger]

for those who keep asking who we should replace MM with....Frank Reich. Mark my words, next former below average NFL QB to be a good HC.

It will be interesting to see what he can do in Indy this year.

[wist43]

Overall? Yes. Today? No.

I think he has decided that the problems with the team and its less successful forays in the playoffs are mostly to do with player acquisition. And that spells trouble for me. He's made his share of mistakes in identifying players who can contribute.

The year of the great WR wipeout was probably not going to end in a Super Bowl trophy, though he still managed to blow that Cardinal playoff game by not going for 2.

And the year of the great CB plague was equally tough, but lots of talent deficient teams still play better pass D than his team did.

I could be wrong. We could still be reading the talent on the team to be more than it is. But I think he has underperformed of late.

I just don't get all this "fire MM" gorilla dust from all of you homers - especially you max.

For years I wanted to fire dunderdummy, and was highly critical of TT - and you guys wanted to hang me from the highest tree for treason!!!

Now you guys are on a roll?? Is that it?? Like Robespierre, you can't stop the bloodshed??

MM was the smallest part of the problem - and was consistently a net positive. He gets a lot of blame for being too conservative at times - worst case in point being the Seattle playoff game; but, in total the offense (his main responsibility) has been consistently playoff caliber, if not Superbowl caliber.

Dunderdummy was a horrible drag on the entire team... his ouster alone will make the whole team better.

[Zool]

I just don't get all this "fire MM" gorilla dust from all of you homers - especially you max.

For years I wanted to fire dunderdummy, and was highly critical of TT - and you guys wanted to hang me from the highest tree for treason!!!

Now you guys are on a roll?? Is that it?? Like Robespierre, you can't stop the bloodshed??

MM was the smallest part of the problem - and was consistently a net positive. He gets a lot of blame for being too conservative at times - worst case in point being the Seattle playoff game; but, in total the offense (his main responsibility) has been consistently playoff caliber, if not Superbowl caliber.

Dunderdummy was a horrible drag on the entire team... his ouster alone will make the whole team better.

Holy fuck have you been persecuted. You should probably head to the desert for a few decades of wandering.

[Pugger]

I just don't get all this "fire MM" gorilla dust from all of you homers - especially you max.

For years I wanted to fire dunderdummy, and was highly critical of TT - and you guys wanted to hang me from the highest tree for treason!!!

Now you guys are on a roll?? Is that it?? Like Robespierre, you can't stop the bloodshed??

MM was the smallest part of the problem - and was consistently a net positive. He gets a lot of blame for being too conservative at times - worst case in point being the Seattle playoff game; but, in total the offense (his main responsibility) has been consistently playoff caliber, if not Superbowl caliber.

Dunderdummy was a horrible drag on the entire team... his ouster alone will make the whole team better.

With Capers and TT gone they need another candidate to lambaste.