McCarthy Has To Go

[pbmax]

You know, Ted signed a couple of FAs right of the gate too. Remember Adrian Klemm and Matt O'Dwyer?

[pbmax]

Gooty is new hotness. TT was old busted. That is the difference, and generally the way things work in the world. Perception is what matters not results. He is tall, has good hair and a square jaw. Vote for him.

Sounds like Packer fans are having a mid-life crisis.

[pbmax]

I get a little confused about the Randall situation. Is he gone because of a bad attitude? Is TT at fault for not playing Randall at what MM now says would've been his best position - safety? Or is that on Capers, or did he have no choice? There's little doubt - except for Wist - that Randall was very talented. But he was a head case, apparently, and what's funny, too, is that Ted took some flak for avoiding talent if it was accompanied by a ten-cent head. Then he did that with Randall, but was that a bad move? Hell, I don't know what to make of it all.

McCarthy is the one who mentioned the out of position and his expectation that he could succeed. So those are his public comments now.

Previously he took exception for Randall questioning holding starting players accountable. In retrospect (DR) sounds a lot like someone who got benched and sent to the locker room for screwing up and melting down (I assume he thinks the melting down is just him caring) but did not see similar screw-ups (Jones) treated the same way. M3 said Randall needs to clean his own house.

Apparently, at least 2 of Dorsey/WolfTheYounger/Highsmith, think he can succeed as a free safety. McCarthy may agree with them or this may be cover for a move he wanted made for other reasons. None of this means, of course, that Randall can't play corner.

Randall's Twitter comments might indicate he felt misplayed, or he may just be aligning himself with people who worry about Hyde all over again.

On the Packers side, I don't think they let a talent on a rookie contract go if Pettine could use him in the transition to a new defense. Not 100% on this, but I think scheme match would trump worrying about Randall's outbursts. Sitton wasn't too outspoken until they had a backup they liked.

So I think its a player they preferred to be rid of who wasn't a natural match for the scheme.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Todd signed a notable "first wave" free agent every 13-15 blue moons. He made an offseason trade every 18-29 blue moons. He never made an in-season trade, even though players like Beast Mode, Tony G and V-Dave were willing to don the Green and Gold. Todd would never hand out a $56 M offer sheet, nor would he sign a 35 year old free agent corner to a $5 M/yr deal.

Aristotle was a pupil of Plato. Yet, the two of them weren't exactly carbon copies of each other. Likewise, the German Shepherd is not a carbon copy of the Polar Bear. Anyone who believes so is gonna be disappointed.

Just wait til the season starts. If, Zeus-forbid, an injury plague hits the Packers corners again, we won't see Lenzy Pipkins in the # 1 corner role, a la Gunter. Gute forbids it.

Time will prove that Gute is the antithesis of Todd.

[Upnorth]

You would fire McCarthy and replace him with Andy Reid who is 11-13 in the playoffs? Andy's a good coach, but what makes him better than McCarthy?

Do you remember kc pre Reid? How about the offence in Philly? Yes I'll take Reid over anyone in the league besides hoody

[Patler]

I'm talking about overall. What TT did last year was seen as quite a departure for him from his normal way of doing things. What I see Gutey doing is a departure from the way TT dealt with FA for most of his years here.

But 2017 wasn't really that much of a departure for TT, and so far 2018 doesn't look much different, and won't even with a couple more signings.

More often than people will admit, TT signed 1 or 2 vets to start or be primary backups, and the overall number of signings tended to go up and down based on the number of vets who left, retired or were released. In 2017 they lost a lot of vet starters/primary backups, so TT was more active with signings, just as he had been in similar situations in the past.

So far, 2018 doesn't look to be much different.

If Gutekunst trades up in the draft, the press will probably identify that as a departure from the TT way too.

[Bretsky]

How would that be different from what TT did last year, signing experienced FAs penciled in to start at TE, OG and CB, even going two deep with FAs at TE while also signing an experienced FA at DT for a primary backup role?

Last yr was not the norm for TT IMO

[Bretsky]

I get a little confused about the Randall situation. Is he gone because of a bad attitude? Is TT at fault for not playing Randall at what MM now says would've been his best position - safety? Or is that on Capers, or did he have no choice? There's little doubt - except for Wist - that Randall was very talented. But he was a head case, apparently, and what's funny, too, is that Ted took some flak for avoiding talent if it was accompanied by a ten-cent head. Then he did that with Randall, but was that a bad move? Hell, I don't know what to make of it all.

FIRST OFF LET'S NOT SUGARCOAT

This was a shitty pick by Ted Thompson. His staff interviews players and assess character. He drafted Randall with the plan for Randall to be a CB. He had great talent IMO

But he was a douchebag, horrible teammate, and terrible inside the locker room.

The last part is why we traded ThanksTed's first round draft pick for a dam backup QB.

[Bretsky]

You know, Ted signed a couple of FAs right of the gate too. Remember Adrian Klemm and Matt O'Dwyer?

Are those the guys Patler cursed )

[Joemailman]

If Gutekunst trades up in the draft, the press will probably identify that as a departure from the TT way too.

If he tries to move up in the 1st round from #14, that would be a departure. TT never did that. TT did move up in later rounds, with mixed results.

[beveaux1]

If he tries to move up in the 1st round from #14, that would be a departure. TT never did that. TT did move up in later rounds, with mixed results.

He moved up to take Matthews in the first round.

[Joemailman]

He moved up to take Matthews in the first round.

I know that. But he never traded his 1st round pick, plus other picks to move up higher in the 1st round. He traded 2nd and 3rd round picks to move back into the 1st round to take Matthews, after taking Raji with his own 1st round pick.

[woodbuck27]

If he tries to move up in the 1st round from #14, that would be a departure. TT never did that. TT did move up in later rounds, with mixed results.

if if if's...we need did's.

Goot spent a whole lot of CAP for a TE that isn't known to Block. Jimmy Graham is likely a Red Zone Specialist not an every down TE. Who's the other TE besides an aging (30 Year Old) Lance Kendricks that did little last year. His QUICK STATS (2017): REC = 18; YDS= 203; AVG =11.3 and TDS = 1


The Secondary is a mess. The WR position is now an unknown quality. The best Position was the DL and the Brass added there with Muhammad Wilkerson (I assume) praying he'll offer some improvement and Pass Rush. It almost appears as if the NO. 14 Round 1 Pick has to go on Small and Skilled now; or CB /WR.

Our RB's are in a Sophomore Year and that often spells not much improvement for some unknown reason.

There's a lot of need still on the Roster and in my view not a whole lot has been really done yet. Hanging onto CM III and Randall Cobb the impending HUGE Aaron Rodgers Contract is tying their hands.

I think the correct approach was to take this Season as step one in a Re-Build Plan. They needed a THREE YEAR PLAN. The error is not starting that THREE Year plan this season. There was little sense in signing Jimmy Graham and bringing in another man on the DL when that position is solid when your Defensive Backfield is deplorably weak. When you have need on the 'D' in the middle or @ LBer.

Yet here we are and (without a Killer Draft) going into another Season expecting Aaron Rodgers to be Mr. Everything.

Not a whole lot has changed. It's still the CONSERVATIVE doesn't win approach.

[Bretsky]

We improve at TE which was a glaring weakness last year; right now we took at step back at WR but I'll take Graham over Jordy and we'll still get a WR
We improved the talent on our DL and our pass rush
We sent a terrible attitude guy and a crap draft pick by TT packing for next to nothing and signed a vet who played pretty good last year in Williams
We still have one of the top 10 coaches in the National Football League and a GM who isn't done yet

This IMO is a year by year plan with the goal of every year to reach and win the Super Bowl

[woodbuck27]

We improve at TE which was a glaring weakness last year; right now we took at step back at WR but I'll take Graham over Jordy and we'll still get a WR
We improved the talent on our DL and our pass rush
We sent a terrible attitude guy and a crap draft pick by TT packing for next to nothing and signed a vet who played pretty good last year in Williams
We still have one of the top 10 coaches in the National Football League and a GM who isn't done yet

This IMO is a year by year plan with the goal of every year to reach and win the Super Bowl

Frankly 2018 will be a Season then to simply take stock.

I'm realistically not expecting a lot. I hope i'm surprised.