Defensive Backs

[beveaux1]

I would too. Tight Ends have never dominated this offense with McCarthy. Holmgren and Sherman made TEs a pretty vital cog. Holmgren did have better talent at the position.

On the plus side, it remains to be seen if a WR steps up at #3 to make the team miss Nelson less than you may expect. He was no longer a regular deep threat and worked a lot of short routes. You can do those with a lot of people, including Montgomery. Plus Davis and Janis could be deep threats, even if its unlikely at this point.

Thinking about the depth chart at WR now, I bet its Geronimo as the 3rd WR. Possession guy who Rodgers trusts. I could see it working.

Remember, we're not replacing 2017 Nelson since Rodgers only played 6 games. We're replacing 2016 Nelson with 97 catches and 1257 yards. Adams had right at 1000 yards that year. A lot of production to make up with Graham and Allison.

[pbmax]

Remember, we're not replacing 2017 Nelson since Rodgers only played 6 games. We're replacing 2016 Nelson with 97 catches and 1257 yards. Adams had right at 1000 yards that year. A lot of production to make up with Graham and Allison.

Yeah, but I am not sure 2016 Nelson was coming back regardless. Better with Rodgers than Hundley? Yes. But not the guy he once was.

[Zool]

It’s hard for a TE to get a lot of love in the touchdown check down offense. Maybe Graham will be the exception? Hard to say, but that DB situation is pretty brutal right now. Pipkins is like 4th on the depth chart.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Mostly that the Packers so far haven't really improved much in the off season, even on paper. You have to imagine most of the pieces falling into place perfectly. They have significant losses that haven't really been addressed. And they've eaten up cap space so wiggle room is reduced. As always, I hope their moves all pan out, but right now it requires more than just a little wishful thinking, especially for Bruce Wilkerson being effective on the D-line and Kizer as backup QB.

As a wise man once said, the cap can always be cooked - and there ain't such thing as a cap hell in this day and age of growing revenues and titanic TV contracts. To understand the fluctuation of the cap, imagine, Zeus-forbid, Thompson was still in charge and hibernating (doing nothing). Packers would have around $20 M this season before signing their picks but likely somewhere around $75 M next season.

Jimmy G and Wilk are upgrades at their respective position. Sure, Gute stills need to fix the corner wormhole, but he's working on it - not hibernating. Give him time. Give him a space. Give him a chance.

[beveaux1]

Yeah, but I am not sure 2016 Nelson was coming back regardless. Better with Rodgers than Hundley? Yes. But not the guy he once was.

Just the production I'm concerned with. Graham has to produce.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Just the production I'm concerned with. Graham has to produce.

Graham's presence alone will make the offense as a whole better and more productive.

Remember J-Mike's heydays? J-Mike had to share the rock with some pretty good player, so he never produced extraordinary numbers, but the fact that he was a mismatch nightmare made the jobs of his o-teamates easier.

[pbmax]

Graham's presence alone will make the offense as a whole better and more productive.

Remember J-Mike's heydays? J-Mike had to share the rock with some pretty good player, so he never produced extraordinary numbers, but the fact that he was a mismatch nightmare made the jobs of his o-teamates easier.

For the 10 total games he was fully engaged yes. Between being immature as a young player and then getting an extreme case of dropsies during his contract year, he was not what you would call reliable for long stretches. Add in injury and it was a star crossed career. Should have been more productive.

[gbgary]

plug cb hole with t-will, save draft picks to move up in 1st round, if needed, to get ward or johnson.

[wist43]

Mostly that the Packers so far haven't really improved much in the off season, even on paper. You have to imagine most of the pieces falling into place perfectly. They have significant losses that haven't really been addressed. And they've eaten up cap space so wiggle room is reduced. As always, I hope their moves all pan out, but right now it requires more than just a little wishful thinking, especially for Bruce Wilkerson being effective on the D-line and Kizer as backup QB.

We got appreciably better the second they dumped dunderdummy...

Pettine is going to be running a new scheme, and hopefully utilizing the players as best fits their skill set - dunderdummy never did that.

Another positive is getting rid of Randall. He was a cancer in the locker room, and a liability on the field. Yes, we're thin at DB now, but even with UDFA's filling out the roster - I expect we'll be better.

[pbmax]

I think we are seriously overrating the Randall clubhouse factor.

And Pettine's new approach will confuse opponents for exactly one year. Then they'll have an entire year of film and an offseason to study it.

[beveaux1]

I think we are seriously overrating the Randall clubhouse factor.

And Pettine's new approach will confuse opponents for exactly one year. Then they'll have an entire year of film and an offseason to study it.

Hopefully the first year produces confusion to opponents, but it’s players not plays that produce consistent results. Let’s face it with King, Hawkins, Pipkins, Goodson, Rollins, and Waters as our CBs. I’m not confident that we have anything but the worst group in the NFL. Add House and Williams and it still seems like it’s in the bottom 3. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.

[Guiness]

I see a few mentions of Tramon Williams here - is that serious? He was never fast, and had lost a couple of steps by the time he left GB...and that was 3 years ago! I didn't know he was even still in the league after getting cut by Cleveland.

[wist43]

Hopefully the first year produces confusion to opponents, but it’s players not plays that produce consistent results. Let’s face it with King, Hawkins, Pipkins, Goodson, Rollins, and Waters as our CBs. I’m not confident that we have anything but the worst group in the NFL. Add House and Williams and it still seems like it’s in the bottom 3. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.

Well, worst in the league is where we finished with dunderdummy and Randall... how can we be any worse??

[wist43]

I think we are seriously overrating the Randall clubhouse factor.

And Pettine's new approach will confuse opponents for exactly one year. Then they'll have an entire year of film and an offseason to study it.

I give ya credit max, you consistently defend being worst in the league, as if that's the best that could done. Dom is ur man, that's fur sure!!

[beveaux1]

Well, worst in the league is where we finished with dunderdummy and Randall... how can we be any worse??

I thought the point was to get better. I can see no appreciable sign of getting better. Free agency is about patching holes that can’t otherwise be fixed in the draft. If that’s the case, this is so far, a fail.