Defensive Backs

[gbgary]

Huh? Part of the plan was to upgrade the TE position.

the thread is about DB's...so i commented on DB's.

[wist43]

Literally the only difference between the 4-2 you love and the 2-4 you despise is Perry's hand in the dirt.

This year, rather than Peppers at end, it will be Wilkseron.

My preference in the past has been a 3-3, but that was based on our personnel.

That said, I don't think anyone ran anything as predictable and static as Capers 2-4...

Max, why do you soooooooo love bad defense?? No matter how pathetic the results, you always defend dunderdummy!!! Seriously, he's been shown the door, and you still unsheath your sword at the first hint that anyone is critical of your beloved dunderdummy.

Given your love of lousy defense, you must be severely depressed these days with the prospect of improvement??

[pbmax]

Given your love of lousy defense, you must be severely depressed these days with the prospect of improvement??

I don't want improvement to come only from switching scheme every 2-3 years. Which is where I fear this is headed.

I want the entire enterprise to figure out the disconnect between coach/scheme/personnel. They got the injury thing addressed (thought its been happening to one position too often). They are smart enough to figure out what went wrong with the last 4 of 6 years.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Run the table featured three wideouts to fear AND Cook.

Who is the third wideout?

Didin't Cobb, Nelson and Adams each miss time or played injured at one point or another during Run the Table? Offensive was still effective with Cook and A-Rod clicking.

Packers still have Cobb and Adams. Jordy can't run anymore, so no big loss. Re-sign Janis and draft Ridley. If Ridley doesn't fall to the Packers, there currently are plenty of stopgap receivers out there on the streets of Baltimore. Maclin, Pryor, Decker, Mike Wallace, to name a few.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

the thread is about DB's...so i commented on DB's.

OIC. But I'm not worried. Unlike Todd, who often would hibernate and simply crossed his fingers for his wally rookies to blossom into contributors in their rookie season, odds are, Gute will do something about the corner wormhole before week 1.

[pbmax]

Didin't Cobb, Nelson and Adams each miss time or played injured at one point or another during Run the Table? Offensive was still effective with Cook and A-Rod clicking.

Packers still have Cobb and Adams. Jordy can't run anymore, so no big loss. Re-sign Janis and draft Ridley. If Ridley doesn't fall to the Packers, there currently are plenty of stopgap receivers out there on the streets of Baltimore. Maclin, Pryor, Decker, Mike Wallace, to name a few.

So rookies at DB: problem.

Rookie wideouts: no problem

Stopgap TE: problem

Stopgap WR: no problem

[pbmax]

In M3's offense, these players need to be able to beat coverage one on one. Stopgap at WR or TE doesn't work.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764508-the-most-underrated-free-agent-signing-of-2018-jimmy-graham-to-green-bay

Given head coach Mike McCarthy's preference for receivers who beat their defenders with physical abilities as opposed to schematic help, the lack of a big body who can win one-on-one battles in the red zone has been a noticeable deficit in Green Bay's offense over the last half-decade. It makes Rodgers' year-to-year performances all the more remarkable in that he's doing what he does with receivers who have been limited by their playbook and by their own physical limitations and injuries.

Graham presents new challenges for defenses trying to deal with Rodgers' clinical expertise. Most red-zone passing plays have pressed Rodgers to make things happen outside of structure, because Green Bay's offense is short on route combinations that generally work so well near the goal line, especially against man coverage. If you're not going to call rub routes or slant/fade crossers even though they've been proved to be highly effective, you're going to have to rely on receivers who can create touchdowns by way of their physical gifts.

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So rookies at DB: problem.

Rookie wideouts: no problem

Stopgap TE: problem

Stopgap WR: no problem

i think history has proven over and over again the rookie WR's need at least 2 to 3 years before the get it

[Joemailman]

i think history has proven over and over again the rookie WR's need at least 2 to 3 years before the get it

Not always. James Jones and Greg Jennings were quite good as rookies.

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Not always. James Jones and Greg Jennings were quite good as rookies.

jennings has 45 catches for 630 yards and 3 tds his rookie year

jones has 47 for 676 and 2 TDs

those aren't big years. we need a #2 WR that can get close to 1000 and 10tds

[Joemailman]

jennings has 45 catches for 630 yards and 3 tds his rookie year

jones has 47 for 676 and 2 TDs

those aren't big years. we need a #2 WR that can get close to 1000 and 10tds

No. With Adams and Graham, we don't necessarily need another 1000 yard guy. (Not that that wouldn't be a good thing.) Add in the backs and I think Rodgers can get to 4000 yards by spreading the ball around. The last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, only Jennings had more than 700 yards.

[pbmax]

No. With Adams and Graham, we don't necessarily need another 1000 yard guy. (Not that that wouldn't be a good thing.) Add in the backs and I think Rodgers can get to 4000 yards by spreading the ball around. The last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, only Jennings had more than 700 yards.

If the Packers get someone as talented as Jennings, then they might work as #2. It may work with someone like Jones.

But what are the odds that player is on Adams rookie level next year?

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No. With Adams and Graham, we don't necessarily need another 1000 yard guy. (Not that that wouldn't be a good thing.) Add in the backs and I think Rodgers can get to 4000 yards by spreading the ball around. The last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, only Jennings had more than 700 yards.

Graham isn't going to get you 1000 yards

coming off of 2 concussions last season, adams is one big hit away from being lost for the season

[mraynrand]

, adams is one big hit away from being lost for the season

As we saw last season, so is everyone else.

Actually, Adams didn't miss a game due to the first nasty hit, and may have been able to come back from the second. It's possible he'll be shielded from a lot of hits due to having #12 back and fewer short routes across the middle. Let Cobb get concussed for a while.

I think we all kind of think some guys are concussion prone, but I don't think the science on this is definitive. Hell, Shields may play out his career without another concussion for all we know.*









*but I doubt it

[call_me_ishmael]

So who’s a better player? Prime Adams or prime Jennings? I think it’s Jennings and not even close but would love to hear what others think and why.