Official 2019 Draft Thread

[Deputy Nutz]

So film break down has started. I watched two whole games from these three guys: Josh Allen OLB Kentucky, Clelin Ferrell Edge, Clemson, and Devin White LB, LSU.


Clelin Ferrell Edge, Clemson
Film: Texas A&M, Boston College

First Take: I absolutely love this kid. He is a hybrid defensive end/linebacker in the true sense of the word. As an end in a 3 point stance his first step is amazing, he seems to always use his hands and get extension on the tackle or TE. He uses an array of pass rush moves unlike any other film I have watched. He has the mobility to stand up in a two point stance and drop into coverage, and what I love is that he lined up all over the field and was able to apply pressure whether he was blitzing or coming out of a three point stance. Ferrell's instincts are very good he understands how to play team defense. He is not selfish. A lot of guys will undercut blocks and give up contain, Not Ferrell he will continue to battle and stretch the play. Ferrell does need to get stronger in the lower half of his body, there were several times when he tried to redirect off the tackles block and he just could get his feet planted.

Devin White LB, LSU
Film: Alabama, Miami

First Take: The guy is a tackler and he can run. He doesn't over run plays and almost slow plays to a fault. He is assignment sound and plays good team defense. What I guess bothers me the most is that he makes a lot of tackles four yards down field or more. Watching his film against Alabama you would not think that he is one of the better defensive players in the country. I think his instincts are just OK. I would think about maybe taking advantage of his athleticism and playing him off the edge. I know I have given high praise before, in fact just today but maybe I watched his highlight tape too many times.

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[Deputy Nutz]

Josh Allen Edge, Kentucky
Fim: Mississippi, and Penn St.

First take: He seems to lack instincts. He is a good athlete but seems to be either standing in open space or stutter stepping. His best attributes are his timed blitzes. Once he gets moving forward he is a hard man to stop. He played the zone read terribly against Penn St. Not as big of an issue in the NFL but it leads me to think that his instincts and coachability might not be great. I think he will test out great in Indy, but his film didn't do much for me.

[Deputy Nutz]

Day 4

Brian Burns Edge, Florida St.
Films: Virginia Tech, Miami

First Take: He rushes better out of a 4 point or 3 point stance than when he is in a two point. Looks hesitant in a two point stance. He has a really good first step and can beat college tackles based on his get off. He uses his hands well, and he has a good bend when he is trying to cut the corner. If I was drafting him for a 3-4 defense I am not exactly sure how he would fit. His lower body is skinny. Like most of these edge rushers he tends to peak in the backfield instead of recognizing the block of the tackle. He has a good motor and will chase from the backside with decent pursuit. When he gets stoned out of the block he has a hard time going to a secondary move or bull rushing the tackle. Seems like he has a plan before the snap and when it doesn't work he loses. If he gets stronger in the lower half of his body he might improve. Its not always about the initial move to get pressure but when the offensive lineman gets in good position its how the edge rusher works to still get after the QB.

added the film

[Deputy Nutz]

Rashan Gary DE, Michigan
Films: Ohio St, Penn St

First Take: Rashan Gary has been the highest rated prospect since he has been a 16 year old kid. He is explosive, big, fast, he has all the labels you want out of one of the better athletes in this draft, but the production is a concern for me in the two films I watched. He seems to play the run better than the pass. He is never out of position and he is just very smooth to the point you don't really know if he is giving 100% effort. He plays mostly as a down lineman but I believe he has the ability to stand up. He is a better athlete than Nick Perry, but I don't just bring up Perry's name without reason. You might be misusing Gary if you play him at OLB. It might not be a good fit. He has all the talent in the world to be a JJ Watt type player but he might be more of a Jadeveon Clowney at the next level.

[Deputy Nutz]

Day 2 of Film breakdown. I am sort of concentrating on Edge rushers at the moment.

Montez Sweat DE, Mississippi St.
Films: Ole' Miss, Iowa

First Take: I am not overly impressed with his athleticism. He looks awkward when he runs. He isn't extremely fluid or flexible. What I did like about him as a pass rusher is that he does a really good job of using his hands and beating the offensive lineman in the battle of quicker use of the hands and arms. I would like him disengage quicker. I didn't not see him play as a stand up OLB or force player. I am not sure if he can play it. The other thing I notice is that he looks skinny especially in the lower half of the body. Needs to add some strength and size. The last thing I will say is that he needs to play with lower pad level. His hat is always higher than the offensive lineman.

Jachai Polite OLB, Florida
Films: Michigan, LSU

First Take: Just not big enough or strong enough to win one on one battles with the tackle. Polite cannot get engaged with the offensive tackle, he gets easily controlled. He has to run around or jump to the inside to be effective. He is quick and when you gets off the ball he has created opportunity to disrupt the passer. I would rather work with a guy that can add strength than one that needs to get fast. Polite is one of those quick twitch athletes that has a very good first few steps. I would say that he needs to use his hands better and stop just relying on his speed to get him to the quarterback. He wants to finesse it.

[Deputy Nutz]

Day 3

oshane ximines Edge, Old Dominion
Films: East Carolina, Marshal

First Take: Guys like this from Mid Major schools are really hard to evaluate. For one the competition and their surrounding players aren't real great. So it is tough to get a read. My first thoughts on this guy is that there is a reason why he is playing at this level. His athleticism just isn't there, his football instincts are at times suspect, and his technique isn't on par with a couple of the other rushers. He certainly looks the part though, he has the right frame, with the right development. He has long arms and he has the height. He struggles with reading the offensive line, particularly the tackle. He is slow off the ball because he can't determine if it is a pass or run, he can only tell when he looks into the backfield which costs him valuable seconds to get to the QB. Late in games when he expected pass his rush game got much better. He plays the run decently well. My issue if he is to be considered a first round talent, you should be able to see consistent first round talents on the field and I just didn't see that out of him on film.

[RashanGary]

Thanks for the info, man! Honestly, I trust it more than the shit written. The writers get thrown off by scouts lying and hiding stuff. Your stuff is just straight observation and experience so it’s trust worthy!

[bobblehead]

I would not trade back if one of these players were available
Jonah Williams
Quinnen Williams
Josh Allen
Joey Bosa
Ed Oliver
Celin Ferrell

If most of these guys were available I would trade back 5 or 6 spots, and if you ended up with a Sweat or a Burns I could live with trading back. I don't think I would want Bush in the first 20 picks in the draft. I would probably say the same for White. I think they are both talented, but I would rather get one of the top 5 pass rushers in the top twenty. Rules for the top twenty QBs, CBs, Edge, and Left tackles with exceptions. I don't think Bush or White fall into the top twenty based on their production and position.

I would rather have bush at 30 than White at 12

In my assessment the only guys with a chance of being there at 12 from your list are Jonah, Ferrell and Oliver. I'm not convinced Ferrell is better than Burns. I could live with Jonah as the lockdown 10 year RT.

[Sparkey]

The Draft network mock:

12 - Jonah Williams, OT
Alabama

30 - T.J. Hockenson, TE
Iowa

44 - Marquise Brown, WR
Oklahoma

75 - Michael Deiter, OT
Wisconsin

114 - Elijah Holyfield, RB
Georgia

118 - Wyatt Ray, EDGE
Boston College

150 - Ugochukwu Amadi, S
Oregon


Fanspeaks mock draft:

12: R1P12 DL QUINNEN WILLIAMS
ALABAMA

30: R1P30 TE NOAH FANT
IOWA

44: R2P12 S NASIR ADDERLEY
DELAWARE

75: R3P11 G MICHAEL DEITER
WISCONSIN

114: R4P12 RB ELIJAH HOLYFIELD
GEORGIA

118: R4P16 OT ISAIAH PRINCE
OHIO STATE

150: R5P12 LB BEN BURR-KIRVEN
WASHINGTON



After running a few other mocks, I'm pretty sure no one has a clue what will happen.

[Fritz]

No one ever does.

[Joemailman]

The Draft network mock:

12 - Jonah Williams, OT
Alabama

30 - T.J. Hockenson, TE
Iowa

44 - Marquise Brown, WR
Oklahoma

75 - Michael Deiter, OT
Wisconsin

114 - Elijah Holyfield, RB
Georgia

118 - Wyatt Ray, EDGE
Boston College

150 - Ugochukwu Amadi, S
Oregon


Fanspeaks mock draft:

12: R1P12 DL QUINNEN WILLIAMS
ALABAMA

30: R1P30 TE NOAH FANT
IOWA

44: R2P12 S NASIR ADDERLEY
DELAWARE

75: R3P11 G MICHAEL DEITER
WISCONSIN

114: R4P12 RB ELIJAH HOLYFIELD
GEORGIA

118: R4P16 OT ISAIAH PRINCE
OHIO STATE

150: R5P12 LB BEN BURR-KIRVEN
WASHINGTON



After running a few other mocks, I'm pretty sure no one has a clue what will happen.

Quinnen Williams available at 12? Did he fail a drug test or hit his woman?

[Fritz]

Quinnen Williams available at 12? Did he fail a drug test or hit his woman?

Yes.

It would take both for him to fall to #12.

[RashanGary]

Yes.

It would take both for him to fall to #12.

I’m with nutz in liking Oliver more. Oliver is more violent and explosive.

[bobblehead]

I’m with nutz in liking Oliver more. Oliver is more violent and explosive.

Agree. Mocks tend to be way off, so I have no clue who will be available. As I have said before, this team STILL has a lot of room to grow. Unless you can land a top 8 player (on Gutes board, not Kipers) I still like to trade back with 12. I hope 3 QB's go top 11!! But seriously getting Bush and Adderly while adding draft capital would make me pretty happy. Then its just a matter of Bulaga/Spriggs being healthy/productive. We actually have enough talent on offense to win a lot of games if the D holds teams under 20. Just running effectively to keep Rodgers in favorable situations will get us 20+ a game, and I'm assuming Graham is still worthless.

[Fritz]

I’m with nutz in liking Oliver more. Oliver is more violent and explosive.

From what I have read, I would agree with you.