Official 2019 Draft Thread

[Fritz]

But if the Packers keep him as the highest-paid tight end in football, it will be despite a season in which he did not get open often as he used to, did not bring down contested balls, and did not, as usual block much.

So what are you keeping him as the highest-paid tight end in football for?

I think he has been an uber-dud, and would like to see him cut. I don't see some big rebound season coming; I see a guy who's lost his physical gifts.

[Joemailman]

But if the Packers keep him as the highest-paid tight end in football, it will be despite a season in which he did not get open often as he used to, did not bring down contested balls, and did not, as usual block much.

So what are you keeping him as the highest-paid tight end in football for?

I think he has been an uber-dud, and would like to see him cut. I don't see some big rebound season coming; I see a guy who's lost his physical gifts.

I share your concerns as to whether he's worth the money. However, he was 9th in the NFL in receiving yards among TE's despite playong several games with a broken thumb. So, he's still one of the better receiving TE's in the NFL. I could see the possibility of him doing better in a different offensive scheme. My biggest concern is that his knee seemed to limit his ability to jump which takes away from his effectiveness in the endzone.

[Deputy Nutz]

Any team needs to be careful with picking a TE early in the draft. Two years ago there were a couple of dynamic first round talents that were taken, I believe one from Alabama and one from Miami. I could look for their names but I don't care enough. If the Packers were clean across the offensive line and didn't have obvious holes on defense that can't seem to filled over the past 5 years TE just doesn't feel all that important right now. Second round maybe, 4th round sure.

[RashanGary]

Would you rather have a David bahktiari quality OT or a kyler fackrell quality edge rusher with the 12th pick?

[wist43]

Would you rather have a David bahktiari quality OT or a kyler fackrell quality edge rusher with the 12th pick?

Don't ever use the word "quality" in reference to Fackrell. It's embarrassing for everyone.

[wist43]

Just started looking at Safeties.

Out of Adderley, Rapp, and Abhram - I like Adderley by far the most. Maybe he's there at #44??

[Deputy Nutz]

Would you rather have a David bahktiari quality OT or a kyler fackrell quality edge rusher with the 12th pick?

Obviously you have to go OT if those are your options. 12 is a tough spot for this particular draft. Using your extra first round draft pick doesn't exactly help you. it might get you 2 or 3 spots.

You simply might end up taking the highest rated player on your board, regardless if that is an offensive lineman(need) or a corner. Reaching for an edge rusher is never a good policy.

[pbmax]

You simply might end up taking the highest rated player on your board, regardless if that is an offensive lineman(need) or a corner. Reaching for an edge rusher is never a good policy.

Agree with this. Other than QB, overcoming that mistake is brutal.

[RashanGary]

Obviously you have to go OT if those are your options. 12 is a tough spot for this particular draft. Using your extra first round draft pick doesn't exactly help you. it might get you 2 or 3 spots.

You simply might end up taking the highest rated player on your board, regardless if that is an offensive lineman(need) or a corner. Reaching for an edge rusher is never a good policy.

I sorta see it similarly. That’s why I brought it up. I keep coming up with dream scenarios where the defense is fixed, but then I need to be open to the possibility that maybe the guy who brings the most impact to the field isn’t at a position I want most. So I sort of start looking at a lot of realistic options

[RashanGary]

Just started looking at Safeties.

Out of Adderley, Rapp, and Abhram - I like Adderley by far the most. Maybe he's there at #44??

Would be cool to get White, Polite and then Adderly. Then get a lucky healthy year out of King and maybe we’d have a defense.

[Deputy Nutz]

So film break down has started. I watched two whole games from these three guys: Josh Allen OLB Kentucky, Clelin Ferrell Edge, Clemson, and Devin White LB, LSU.

Allen
Fim: Mississippi, and Penn St.
First take: He seems to lack instincts. He is a good athlete but seems to be either standing in open space or stutter stepping. His best attributes are his timed blitzes. Once he gets moving forward he is a hard man to stop. He played the zone read terribly against Penn St. Not as big of an issue in the NFL but it leads me to think that his instincts and coachability might not be great. I think he will test out great in Indy, but his film didn't do much for me.

Ferrell
Film: Texas A&M, Boston College
First Take: I absolutely love this kid. He is a hybrid defensive end/linebacker in the true sense of the word. As an end in a 3 point stance his first step is amazing, he seems to always use his hands and get extension on the tackle or TE. He uses an array of pass rush moves unlike any other film I have watched. He has the mobility to stand up in a two point stance and drop into coverage, and what I love is that he lined up all over the field and was able to apply pressure whether he was blitzing or coming out of a three point stance. Ferrell's instincts are very good he understands how to play team defense. He is not selfish. A lot of guys will undercut blocks and give up contain, Not Ferrell he will continue to battle and stretch the play. Ferrell does need to get stronger in the lower half of his body, there were several times when he tried to redirect off the tackles block and he just could get his feet planted.

White
Film: Alabama, Miami
First Take: The guy is a tackler and he can run. He doesn't over run plays and almost slow plays to a fault. He is assignment sound and plays good team defense. What I guess bothers me the most is that he makes a lot of tackles four yards down field or more. Watching his film against Alabama you would not think that he is one of the better defensive players in the country. I think his instincts are just OK. I would think about maybe taking advantage of his athleticism and playing him off the edge. I know I have given high praise before, in fact just today but maybe I watched his highlight tape too many times.

[pbmax]

How do you maintain draft capital and still engage in FA? Apparently its by trading.

http://www.footballperspective.com/the-patriots-are-smarter-than-everyone/

[Fritz]

So film break down has started. I watched two whole games from these three guys: Josh Allen OLB Kentucky, Clelin Ferrell Edge, Clemson, and Devin White LB, LSU.

Allen
Fim: Mississippi, and Penn St.
First take: He seems to lack instincts. He is a good athlete but seems to be either standing in open space or stutter stepping. His best attributes are his timed blitzes. Once he gets moving forward he is a hard man to stop. He played the zone read terribly against Penn St. Not as big of an issue in the NFL but it leads me to think that his instincts and coachability might not be great. I think he will test out great in Indy, but his film didn't do much for me.

Ferrell
Film: Texas A&M, Boston College
First Take: I absolutely love this kid. He is a hybrid defensive end/linebacker in the true sense of the word. As an end in a 3 point stance his first step is amazing, he seems to always use his hands and get extension on the tackle or TE. He uses an array of pass rush moves unlike any other film I have watched. He has the mobility to stand up in a two point stance and drop into coverage, and what I love is that he lined up all over the field and was able to apply pressure whether he was blitzing or coming out of a three point stance. Ferrell's instincts are very good he understands how to play team defense. He is not selfish. A lot of guys will undercut blocks and give up contain, Not Ferrell he will continue to battle and stretch the play. Ferrell does need to get stronger in the lower half of his body, there were several times when he tried to redirect off the tackles block and he just could get his feet planted.

White
Film: Alabama, Miami
First Take: The guy is a tackler and he can run. He doesn't over run plays and almost slow plays to a fault. He is assignment sound and plays good team defense. What I guess bothers me the most is that he makes a lot of tackles four yards down field or more. Watching his film against Alabama you would not think that he is one of the better defensive players in the country. I think his instincts are just OK. I would think about maybe taking advantage of his athleticism and playing him off the edge. I know I have given high praise before, in fact just today but maybe I watched his highlight tape too many times.

I do not watch the way you guys do, so I must defer to your opinions; I will only add that I did see Josh Allen twice, and while the guy is lightning quick, I was not impressed with his ability to get off of blocks - I agree with your assessment. I think he'll test well but not be that good in the NFL.

[Deputy Nutz]

Day 2 of Film breakdown. I am sort of concentrating on Edge rushers at the moment.

Montez Sweat DE, Mississippi St.
Films: Ole' Miss, Iowa
First Take: I am not overly impressed with his athleticism. He looks awkward when he runs. He isn't extremely fluid or flexible. What I did like about him as a pass rusher is that he does a really good job of using his hands and beating the offensive lineman in the battle of quicker use of the hands and arms. I would like him disengage quicker. I didn't not see him play as a stand up OLB or force player. I am not sure if he can play it. The other thing I notice is that he looks skinny especially in the lower half of the body. Needs to add some strength and size. The last thing I will say is that he needs to play with lower pad level. His hat is always higher than the offensive lineman.

Jachai Polite OLB, Florida
Films: Michigan, LSU
First Take: Just not big enough or strong enough to win one on one battles with the tackle. Polite cannot get engaged with the offensive tackle, he gets easily controlled. He has to run around or jump to the inside to be effective. He is quick and when you gets off the ball he has created opportunity to disrupt the passer. I would rather work with a guy that can add strength than one that needs to get fast. Polite is one of those quick twitch athletes that has a very good first few steps. I would say that he needs to use his hands better and stop just relying on his speed to get him to the quarterback. He wants to finesse it.

Rashan Gary DE, Michigan
Films: Ohio St, Penn St
First Take: Rashan Gary has been the highest rated prospect since he has been a 16 year old kid. He is explosive, big, fast, he has all the labels you want out of one of the better athletes in this draft, but the production is a concern for me in the two films I watched. He seems to play the run better than the pass. He is never out of position and he is just very smooth to the point you don't really know if he is giving 100% effort. He plays mostly as a down lineman but I believe he has the ability to stand up. He is a better athlete than Nick Perry, but I don't just bring up Perry's name without reason. You might be misusing Gary if you play him at OLB. It might not be a good fit. He has all the talent in the world to be a JJ Watt type player but he might be more of a Jadeveon Clowney at the next level.

[Joemailman]

Hey Wist! A mock draft that has the Packers talking White! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...rray-goes-no-1