DSKA: Defense Supplies Kool Aid

[ThunderDan]

I sometimes wonder if you have actually ever watched a game of football. Pistol force again, huh?

Reading comprehension isn't that good either. You talk about better CB play allowing the S to play up and help with inside coverage. APB says ILBs don't cover WRs.

[The Shadow]

I think Pettine will prove to be the Pack's most valuable offseason addition

[hoosier]

It’s easy to lead the NFL in tackles when you’ve a penchant for tackling runners and receivers past the chains. Likewise, it’s easy to lead the league in pass defensed when QBs love throwing the rock at you cos you suck in coverage.

Martinez is a-OK vs the run. An abomination in coverage.

Martinez was tied for 20th among LBs in TFL last year. Not great but not exactly the picture of a defender going backwards either.

[The Shadow]

Even if the defense makes that Great Leap Forward, we are in overall team jeopardy with the backup QB situation. Neither guy is an NFL QB.

[MadScientist]

Even if the defense makes that Great Leap Forward, we are in overall team jeopardy with the backup QB situation. Neither guy is an NFL QB.

I still think Kizer has a chance to become a decent QB if he can take to the coaching. Hundley is there in case the other backups break legs in camp. If he is on the 53, things have gone wrong for the Packers.

[Fritz]

Absolutely. Packers had 20.5 sacks from OLB's in 2010. 13.5 from Matthews. Guys like Beigel, Gilbert and maybe even Holy Fackrell could be a better supporting cast than Poppinga and Zombo were.

All I can say is that Holy Fackrell better drop to his knees and pray if he ever gets an NFL sack, and Biegel better howl.

I imagine Daniels will like the one gap stuff. His talents seemed wasted just plugging holes.

[3irty1]

There's no comparison between 2010 and 2018.

There's some talent to work with on the defensive side of the ball, but it needs to be developed and we need a lot of luck on the injury front. We have zero depth at LB... unless Gilbert continues to improve. Fackrell will likely be cut, I don't think Burks can contribute much of anything this year, and I don't expect anything out of Beigel. The DB's are going to be a work in progress - to be sure there will be growing pains.

Best case scenario is that the defense can gel by mid-season, and the young guys can step up by seasons end and be counted on to perform at a higher than average level. That's asking a lot I think.

My intention was not to say that the entire 2018 defense compares favorably to the entire SB defense. Although 2010 was basically a year where the best case scenario you outlined for 2018 came true. We fell ass-backwards into Sam Shields. Got spectacular contributions from bums like Peprah, Walden, and Green. Overall we had good injury luck on the defensive side of the ball with our most significant injury being the one that brought Bishop to the field. We get something analogous this year and even you'll enjoy watching the defense. Especially since professional integrity demand that you expect a 10 rank improvement on defense by the subtraction of Capers alone.

[wist43]

My intention was not to say that the entire 2018 defense compares favorably to the entire SB defense. Although 2010 was basically a year where the best case scenario you outlined for 2018 came true. We fell ass-backwards into Sam Shields. Got spectacular contributions from bums like Peprah, Walden, and Green. Overall we had good injury luck on the defensive side of the ball with our most significant injury being the one that brought Bishop to the field. We get something analogous this year and even you'll enjoy watching the defense. Especially since professional integrity demand that you expect a 10 rank improvement on defense by the subtraction of Capers alone.

Yeah, I think there's enough talent there combined with the addition of Pettine to improve 10 spots - even with the growing pains and weaknesses.

My hope is that Pettine will play to our strengths, i.e. the DL more than LB's, and realize the young guys on the back end need some protection early on - not just turning them loose on an island.

Next year Gute will have to address the LB positions - don't see how he can avoid that. Matthews will be another year older, who knows what we'll get out of Perry; hopefully Gilbert will continue to improve, and Martinez; but, outside of those guys, I don't see any talent on the current roster able to step up and be counted on moving forward. That's a lot of positions to fill next offseason.

[The Shadow]

Let next year take its course.

[woodbuck27]

Yeah, I think there's enough talent there combined with the addition of Pettine to improve 10 spots - even with the growing pains and weaknesses.

My hope is that Pettine will play to our strengths, i.e. the DL more than LB's, and realize the young guys on the back end need some protection early on - not just turning them loose on an island.

Next year Gute will have to address the LB positions - don't see how he can avoid that. Matthews will be another year older, who knows what we'll get out of Perry; hopefully Gilbert will continue to improve, and Martinez; but, outside of those guys, I don't see any talent on the current roster able to step up and be counted on moving forward. That's a lot of positions to fill next offseason.

This is clearly an assessment year.

[woodbuck27]

This is for anyone observing Packerrats who might not know what 1 Gap and 2 Gap "D' means and when each is used by DC - Defensive Coordinator:

http://www.xsosfootball.com/one-gap-and-two-gap-techniques/

FOOTBALL STRATEGIES

One Gap and Two Gap Techniques

By: Xs Os Staff - Sep 17, 2012 19559 3

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I sometimes wonder if you have actually ever watched a game of football. Pistol force again, huh?

I was a shutdown corner in HS. Didn't need to play or learn the Pistol Force. I was like, just put me on an island and lemme do my thing! The coaches conceded. And I shut down Darren Charles.

So, what the fuck is the Pistol Force? Some kind of Five-0 organization that Rand's cousin belongs to, or something?

[KYPack]

This is for anyone observing Packerrats who might not know what 1 Gap and 2 Gap "D' means and when each is used by DC - Defensive Coordinator:

http://www.xsosfootball.com/one-gap-and-two-gap-techniques/

FOOTBALL STRATEGIES

One Gap and Two Gap Techniques

By: Xs Os Staff - Sep 17, 2012 19559 3

Decent article, Woody.

That site is focused on Madden strategies, so be aware of that. Actually, two gap systems are going the way of the dodo. The last NFL team that two gapped across a front was the Steelers when LeBeau was the DC. They used Keisel, Casey Hampton, & Aaron Smith in the 3-4 front and all of 'em had two gap responsibility. I haven't seen any team use that system for their front since then. Two gap DL's in the current are mostly on the nose (zero tech). Two gapping is a helluva a responsibility and a thankless job.
Few two gap lineman get many sacks or hurries, which affects the old paycheck.

The article that said Pettine was going to install a one gap system here struck me as curious. Capers isn't a two gap type DC. Pettine has to change the defensive culture, but putting in a one gap D isn't the biggest task in front of him.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Reading comprehension isn't that good either. You talk about better CB play allowing the S to play up and help with inside coverage. APB says ILBs don't cover WRs.

Talk abut reading comprehension. I said Martinez can't cover WRs, not that he won't. Big difference. Allison is a bum, but even that sloth would annihilate Martinez if Martinez covered him all game long.

[KYPack]

I was a shutdown corner in HS. Didn't need to play or learn the Pistol Force. I was like, just put me on an island and lemme do my thing! The coaches conceded. And I shut down Darren Charles.

So, what the fuck is the Pistol Force? Some kind of Five-0 organization that Rand's cousin belongs to, or something?

Been said thousands of time, but your claims of being some kind of star player is bogus. You didn't even play, let alone have some kind of starring role.

If you had played, you wouldn't be asking these stupid questions or making these foolish statements.