Ted and Brian and Dom and Mike

[pbmax]

Here we go Silverstein: https://www.packersnews.com/story/sp...ng/1159562002/

True to his word

Gutekunst has been true to his word, signing unrestricted free agents, making trades, attempting to steal other teams’ players with offer sheets and throwing his hat in the ring in the Khalil Mack sweepstakes.

Assuming there will be some tinkering with the roster this week, Gutekunst as of Sunday had added 19 players to the roster who were somewhere else last year. That’s a 35.8 percent turnover, which is a considerable jump from a nine-year average of 26.4 percent from 2011-17.

So a 9.4 percent increase is a considerable jump. Is it more than most teams that go 7-9? Is it more than Thompson did prior to the Super Bowl (Silverstein only looks at post Super Bowl rosters). This is a single number without context. And without considering a new DC. Anyone think Wilkerson was on the Packer FA list prior to M3 hiring Pettine?

Whether Gutekunst truly tried to obtain Mack or bowed out when he found out what the Raiders were demanding, he at least tried. As they say in the NFL, some of the best moves are the ones you don’t make.

This literally describes every Ted trade he didn't make. If you don't know what he offered (we only know it wasn't both 2019 first rounders) how do you know that this is different?

[Zool]

This literally describes every Ted trade he didn't make. If you don't know what he offered (we only know it wasn't both 2019 first rounders) how do you know that this is different?

News orgs appeal to their greatest common denominator. People want to read and nod along while saying "yeah Ted sucked" so they massage the information to support the claim. Pretty typical stuff. The reason I never read news anymore. It's all opinion.

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stick.

[run pMc]

description of waived/injured here:

https://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/09/what_does_it_mean_when_an_nfl_player_is_waivedinju.html

After a player is waived/injured, the player and the team have five days to agree to an injury settlement. An injury settlement is designed for a team to pay the player for the time he is expected to miss with the injury.

If a settlement is reached, the player becomes a free agent and can sign with another team immediately. If a settlement is not reached, the player goes on the team's injured reserve. A player on IR can't be waived until he passes a physical.

If they are waived, they can be resigned after 3 weeks. If they land on IR, they keep getting paid (usually a reduced amount due to split contracts). My guess is they might bring one of Rollins, Murphy or Mays back in a few weeks. My money's would be on either Murphy (Byron Bell scares me) or Mays (RBs get beat up all the time). Rollins is done in GB IMO.

[Fritz]

I was a big believer in Ted Thompson, but when you look at his drafts going back to about 2012, there's not a lot of studliness to show for all those picks. The draft of 2015 was a real clunker - not that Wolf didn't have those drafts; he did - but Ted strung some poor ones together there, with only an occasional player to show for it.

I realize now that without Rodgers, drafted in 2005, this team is nothing. There was last year as proof - and that year McGinn infamously wrote about how the Packers were finally positioned to win should Rodgers go down - then he did, and the Pack tanked.

[run pMc]

Ted's 2015 and 2017 drafts were bad.
Actually, if you look at the entire 2015 draft, it was a bad year for most teams. Jury's still out on 2017, but it doesn't look good for GB.

New GM's and coaches are inclined to clear out a lot of players, but I think it's iffy picks as much as anything.

[run pMc]

As for Dom, I always thought he was constrained by the talent. After watching some of the older games from earlier in his tenure, it seems like his scheme got more vanilla as time went on.
There is a noticeable difference between the 2009 and 2010 defenses and the 2016 & 2017 ones.

Also, Ted was drafting defensive players, they just weren't performing, or put in a place where they could perform.

So....lousy picks, lousy coaching?

[Zool]

As for Dom, I always thought he was constrained by the talent. After watching some of the older games from earlier in his tenure, it seems like his scheme got more vanilla as time went on.
There is a noticeable difference between the 2009 and 2010 defenses and the 2016 & 2017 ones.

Also, Ted was drafting defensive players, they just weren't performing, or put in a place where they could perform.

So....lousy picks, lousy coaching?

Fat Stafford said last year that he was calling out the blitzes at the line and was right about them. It could be both picks and coaching, but coaching was definitely part of the problem. He and Fat Mike are both living on the past at this point.

[pbmax]

I was a big believer in Ted Thompson, but when you look at his drafts going back to about 2012, there's not a lot of studliness to show for all those picks. The draft of 2015 was a real clunker - not that Wolf didn't have those drafts; he did - but Ted strung some poor ones together there, with only an occasional player to show for it.

I realize now that without Rodgers, drafted in 2005, this team is nothing. There was last year as proof - and that year McGinn infamously wrote about how the Packers were finally positioned to win should Rodgers go down - then he did, and the Pack tanked.

So you honestly don't think the coaching staff had anything to do with Hundley and the D not being ready?

[pbmax]

As for Dom, I always thought he was constrained by the talent. After watching some of the older games from earlier in his tenure, it seems like his scheme got more vanilla as time went on.
There is a noticeable difference between the 2009 and 2010 defenses and the 2016 & 2017 ones.

Also, Ted was drafting defensive players, they just weren't performing, or put in a place where they could perform.

So....lousy picks, lousy coaching?

My fear is we will miss both Hyde and Randall at safety if Dix doesn't step it up again.

[MadScientist]

As for Dom, I always thought he was constrained by the talent. After watching some of the older games from earlier in his tenure, it seems like his scheme got more vanilla as time went on.
There is a noticeable difference between the 2009 and 2010 defenses and the 2016 & 2017 ones.

Also, Ted was drafting defensive players, they just weren't performing, or put in a place where they could perform.

So....lousy picks, lousy coaching?

Both. Collins, Woodson and a young CM were elite players that changed games on a regular basis, and nobody in the 2017 defense was like that. The scheme had to be adjusted to deal with lesser players. Unfortunately the way the scheme was adjusted was in a way that that the game had passed by. Opposing QB's could take one look and know exactly what was going on and how to attack. And with turnovers becoming more rare, the net effect was a poor defense. Rodgers helped cover for this by putting pressure on opposing offenses to keep up, which could lead to mistakes.

TT compounded the problems by using high picks on players like Randall and Rollins who were either miscast (Randall) or too slow (Rollins) to be CB's. To be fair, the Packers were desperate for CB's and that was a truly terrible draft for CB's. However, having one injury (Shields) leaving you in panic mode for a critical non-QB position speaks to poor roster management.

[Zool]

A couple bad drafts in a row followed by a series of career ending injuries to current starters explains away the last 3-4 years. They have been horrendous in the backfield for a long time now. They broke records for being bad in 2011. That was with Collins, Tramon, and Woodson on the team. The game passed him by. Every once in a while he would dial up a great plan. Most of the time it felt like they were hanging on by their fingernails.

During the 5 plays inside the 10 at the end of the Philly/ATL game last night I thought, if this were the Packers on D, that team is scoring. We'll see what Heavy Petting brings to the table.

[Tony Oday]

The game passed Dom.

[red]

dom is a classic example of why you have to replace your coaching staff every now and then

i love how so many people are coming out now and saying that it was a good move to fire dom and that we are better off for it. at this point last year many people are saying we were crazy for saying the game had past dom by and that he needed to go

Fat mike has also become stale, for years now, and has needed to be replaced for the same reasons that capers needed to be replaced

[Bretsky]

dom is a classic example of why you have to replace your coaching staff every now and then

i love how so many people are coming out now and saying that it was a good move to fire dom and that we are better off for it. at this point last year many people are saying we were crazy for saying the game had past dom by and that he needed to go

Fat mike has also become stale, for years now, and has needed to be replaced for the same reasons that capers needed to be replaced

THIG instead of THanksTed will be what helps GB's defense the most.
Ted failed us on defense....over and over....Dom is the easy GOAT; look at Ted.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The game passed Dom.

I really doubt this theory. Has Minnesota been better on defense because of smarter schemes? They get better players and have good coaching - motivation & schemes. But it ain't brand new rocket science.

I think once a good coach always a good coach, as long as coach enjoys the work. The technicalities and innovations of a sport, including the rules, evolve very slowly. The 25-year-old coaches don't know much, if anything, that the 70-year-olds haven't thought about.