Official Fire Mike McCarthy Thread

[bobblehead]

I am more convinced than ever that TT wasn't the problem and MM was and is. He simply values certain things over impact and talent. Playing House over Josh Jackson, Playing anyone over Aaron Jones, Having Josh Jones drafted to play dime linebacker and then misusing him and putting him in the doghouse and not getting playing time at his natural position and allowing some JAG named Toomer on the field over him, signing Breland and playing some Jag named Brown ahead of him.

I could go on and on about how every coach in the league is figuring out that pass catching backs are the future, yet we have a former WR at RB who barely gets a catch. We signed a TE that fits the way MM has historically use TEs and he is nowhere to be seen, and when he is its only about 25% of the time catching inline passes over the middle.

Speaking of misusing players, it took me 3 preseason games into his rookie season to declare Mica Hyde a great safety. It took the buffalo bills to prove it.

We have been here before and worse, so I expect MM to right the ship somewhat, but I am quite sure his superbowl days are behind him unless he is simply given superior talent. Despite what some on the board here think, we have had some talented teams in recent history. The team that lost to seattle in the worst defeat in franchise history was good across the board. This team has decent talent if its used correctly. I expect things to get better when MM stops being stubby and starts using Jones/Jones, breland et al and stops deciding that some fucktard named Toomer tries really hard so he deserves to play.

[gbgary]

TT was a huge problem. that's why Murphy reorganized the FO and injected himself in the football dept. several things have come out recently about how he was/is losing it.

[pbmax]

TT was a huge problem. that's why Murphy reorganized the FO and injected himself in the football dept. several things have come out recently about how he was/is losing it.

Such as?

[bobblehead]

TT was a huge problem. that's why Murphy reorganized the FO and injected himself in the football dept. several things have come out recently about how he was/is losing it.

a) I haven't heard anything about him losing it from anyone not named wist or APB.

b) I can see that we are gangbusters now with TT out of the way. Whew...super bowl here we come.

[gbgary]

a) I haven't heard anything about him losing it from anyone not named wist or APB.

b) I can see that we are gangbusters now with TT out of the way. Whew...super bowl here we come.

yeah...don't remember who but heard, on a GB radio station, a GB reporter/blogger say his source inside 1265 said russ ball was basically covering for tt and doing tt's job last year. murphy found out and that's what prompted the changes. maybe that's why MM was so adamant that if ball was named gm he'd quit.

all you had to do was watch one of his pressers to know tt was off. we all noticed and commented on it.

[mraynrand]

yeah...don't remember who but heard, on a GB radio station, a GB reporter/blogger say his source inside 1265 said russ ball was basically covering for tt and doing tt's job last year. murphy found out and that's what prompted the changes. maybe that's why MM was so adamant that if ball was named gm he'd quit.

all you had to do was watch one of his pressers to know tt was off. we all noticed and commented on it.

Wait, Ball was doing TT's job so Stubby didn't want him as GM? Because Ball sucked at it?

[gbgary]

Wait, Ball was doing TT's job so Stubby didn't want him as GM? Because Ball sucked at it?

i don't know why MM didn't want ball named gm but it's well reported that he didn't and threatened to quit if he was.

[mraynrand]

i don't know why MM didn't want ball named gm but it's well reported that he didn't and threatened to quit if he was.

Somehow I missed all of that

[pbmax]

Somehow I missed all of that

We knew McCarthy didn't want Ball, but the explanation at the time was that it would be Ted 2.0 and no FA.

The rumor that it was Ball doing this all along seems like a conspiracy theory given that Ted has had some bad drafts, they haven't been back to the Super Bowl, he was visibly aging and he had been giving Ball some personnel duties to fluff his credentials for a GM job.

McCarthy threatening to quit seems much more likely, and implied by his press conference ("has to be a two way street"). He knew they wanted him for at least another year because of Rodgers upcoming deal.

But given the year the Packers have had so far, I am more worried about two things now than I was then:

1. Rodgers doesn't seem happy with McCarthy's offense and only wants the touchdown to check down or extended version. If true, and not due to some other issue we don't know about, presents a conundrum. Because Rodgers is more rare than McCarthy, though McCarthy is good enough to be hard to replace. But I don't like an organization to put everything behind the player.

2. What will Murphy do? Did he do a one year deal to placate Rodgers OR because a long term deal for a 7-9 coach would make him look bad? Here I hope Muphy is slightly conniving, taking advantage of whatever opportunity presents itself to him to shake up the offensive approach.

[red]

i don't know why MM didn't want ball named gm but it's well reported that he didn't and threatened to quit if he was.

if this is true, it appears the smart move would have been to make ball the GM

[Joemailman]

if this is true, it appears the smart move would have been to make ball the GM

There have been reports Rodgers didn't want Ball either. Would you want Ball if it meant Rodgers doesn't sign an extension?

I realize it's dangerous territory if you are allowing a player, even Rodgers, to determine who the new GM is.

[bobblehead]

Oftentimes the least popular choice is the best choice. Maybe its time to Trade Rodgers for as much draft capital as possible (If Mack is worth 2 firsts from a below average team, what is Rodgers worth? Looking at you Denver) Fire MM and staff. Stink it up a bit for a year or 2 while rebuilding. Don't be shy about trading back for more future draft capital (patriots do it all the time). In the age of parity I would ALWAYS trade my 2nd for a 1st next year.

It won't happen. Only TT had to stones to trade a HOF QB.

The other option is much easier. Fire MM, hire a young talent. We are semi rebuilding already with 2 firsts next year and some young talent on D that is showing flashes already. We need to spend some draft capital on the entire offense next year and not sign anymore FA that are on the decline (looking at you Jimmy Graham and Martellus Bennett.) If you can get a stopgap for a reasonable price, that is the way to use FA (jahari evans). If we play the cards right we should be able to snag another ring before ARod rides off into the sunset.

[wist43]

I think Stubby needs to go... I've been very slow to come to this point, but I think it's time for some new blood.

We need a young offensive innovator, and the front office needs to do some serious self evaluation with respect to how they evaluate OL/DL and especially LB. Worst set of LB's in the league... they're hard to watch.

[Bretsky]

Do you honestly think he is a significant step up from Ryan?

Prolly not significant; but he's a step up imo

[Bretsky]

I think Stubby needs to go... I've been very slow to come to this point, but I think it's time for some new blood.

We need a young offensive innovator, and the front office needs to do some serious self evaluation with respect to how they evaluate OL/DL and especially LB. Worst set of LB's in the league... they're hard to watch.

you thought the solution was to get rid of Dom Capers

Hmmm....were you wrong ?