Montgomery to Ravens

[bobblehead]

THANKSTED for brining us AROD...but not a whole lot more

Kenny Clark, Bahktieri, Blake Matinez, Clay, Devante Adams, Micah Hyde, Casey Hayward, Kevin King(aprh)

I could do this all day. MM is a horseshit coach at this point. TT didn't lose his ability to spot talent, MM lost his ability to utilize it.

[mraynrand]

... Devante Adams...TT didn't lose his ability to spot talent, MM lost his ability to utilize it.

[bobblehead]

Clearly you missed the period and paragraph break. Those were two different points and the point being Ted Thompson drafted a lot of good players

Well done MSM reporter.

[bobblehead]

mraynrand....is....as....dumb....as....woodbuck

C what I did there.

[pbmax]

Is there a chance Ted was getting shoved around in the later years? Or if not shoved around, people around him were agreeing to moves that weren't really Ted like?

Tom Oates gave the whole trading scenario the stamp of columnist approval (addition by subtraction) *. He also draws a line from Sitton and Randle to these moves, getting rid of players to avoid disgruntlement in the locker room, where everything needs to be gruntled to operate at peak efficiency.

Sitton was not a long term solution and they obviously tested out Taylor for an entire camp and preseason to be sure, but that move did not improve the product on the field. Randall was the best CB of a team that played terribly in the backend. I think he was a functional pro CB who was tossed to improve someone's morale.

Dix was traded to get a better pick that they would have gotten as a comp pick. Dumping Monty made a few players happy and might help the backfield congestion problem (we'll see about that) and reduce the infighting.

Hayward was a casualty of the market, but in hindsight should have been offered more than he was by the Packers. Hyde was given away due to Burnett; now Morgan was a player they should have traded for a pick.

This is now a team that has lots of interesting motives for dumping payers, when previously the only question was were you likely more talented than the other guy who would be released OR were you cheaper and almost as good as a veteran they could dump.


* But like Silverstein, he really strains to see where shipping Dix out actually improves the team.

[Bretsky]

Kenny Clark, Bahktieri, Blake Matinez, Clay, Devante Adams, Micah Hyde, Casey Hayward, Kevin King(aprh)

I could do this all day. MM is a horseshit coach at this point. TT didn't lose his ability to spot talent, MM lost his ability to utilize it.

Want me to list the crap picks ?

Get out a bigger note pad

[call_me_ishmael]

Kenny Clark, Bahktieri, Blake Matinez, Clay, Devante Adams, Micah Hyde, Casey Hayward, Kevin King(aprh)

I could do this all day. MM is a horseshit coach at this point. TT didn't lose his ability to spot talent, MM lost his ability to utilize it.

Maybe both things are true, but it is an undeniable fact that the quality of players drafted and the amount of players the Packers opted to retain on second contracts dwindled big time in recent years. I did a comprehensive analysis that is pretty indisputable. 2015 looked promising even as recently as last year, only to see Randall jettisoned for being a cancer and Rollins never recovering from injury. The stark reality does not match your perception.

It's totally unfair to acknowledge what a great player that Casey Hayward is while ignoring the fact that Teddy T thought he wasn't so hot and let him walk for nothing. Same with Hyde, etc. The most important and least frequently stated part of draft and develop philosophy is the third part, draft, develop, retain.

[pbmax]

It's totally unfair to acknowledge what a great player that Casey Hayward is while ignoring the fact that Teddy T thought he wasn't so hot and let him walk for nothing. Same with Hyde, etc. The most important and least frequently stated part of draft and develop philosophy is the third part, draft, develop, retain.

These two are reasons I am not so sure the drafting was as terrible as the roster list makes it out to be.

Hayward was let go because of recent investments in young players and an injury history. Plus an ill fit in the defense at the time.

Hyde was let go because he wasn't going to unseat Burnett. In hindsight, they should have traded Burnett and kept Hyde.

[mraynrand]

Clearly you missed the period and paragraph break. Those were two different points and the point being Ted Thompson drafted a lot of good players

Well done MSM reporter.

I was making the point that Stubby has done just fine in utilizing Adams.

[mraynrand]

C what I did there.

fuck...off

[bobblehead]

I was making the point that Stubby has done just fine in utilizing Adams.

I get that. I didn't say he NEVER utilizes anyone. I said he is stubby. He refused to utilize Monty the way he should have, and for several seasons he refused to hand Cobb the ball when the D dictates it. He has no clue how to utilize a multi threat TE. He is in fact stubby. RB's are for pass blocking and running. TE can catch or block...not both. My tackles don't need any help on the best in the game until after ARod gets hammered a few times. My guards don't need help until they give up a safety. I can do this all day.

And to bretsky's point....I put TTs drafts against most anyone over any 7 year period.

[call_me_ishmael]

These two are reasons I am not so sure the drafting was as terrible as the roster list makes it out to be.

Hayward was let go because of recent investments in young players and an injury history. Plus an ill fit in the defense at the time.

Hyde was let go because he wasn't going to unseat Burnett. In hindsight, they should have traded Burnett and kept Hyde.

I don’t disagree but bottom line is they let players they should have retained or capitalized upon walk out the door.

[Joemailman]

I don’t disagree but bottom line is they let players they should have retained or capitalized upon walk out the door.

When marginal starters like Hyde and Hayward leave and excel elsewhere, you have to look at the coaching. As in Capers. The logical conclusion woild be that MM kept Capers around too long. But I wonder if it's a coincidence that TT and Capers were shown the door at bazically the same time.

[Harlan Huckleby]

When marginal starters like Hyde and Hayward leave and excel elsewhere, you have to look at the coaching.

The thing with Hyde, I thought he was good and improving every year. His post pack play is not surprising.

I do remember people in this forum jumping on his ass for being too slow, if my rickety memory is working. So he was no all-pro.

[Patler]

When marginal starters like Hyde and Hayward leave and excel elsewhere, you have to look at the coaching. As in Capers. The logical conclusion woild be that MM kept Capers around too long.

Good point. As a GM, why would you invest large contracts in players the coaching staff has not used in featured roles after four years? You can't pay backups like starters, the salary cap won't allow you to. The way the coaching staff used Hayward and Hyde did not justify the Packers giving them contracts like they received from other teams.