Montgomery to Ravens

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Makes sense, since they had nothing left at corner. Remember that the only reason they didn't send Randall packing was because they had no one to play with any competency. Capers did get stale, but he ended on a double bad note because his personnel was sub par.

Agreed. Capers was blitzing for the same reasons Pettine is; they can't send four and reliably get to the QB and that includes Wilkerson. Of all the debates to have about the talent level of the Packers, lack of pass rush has consistently been an issue since 2011. Peppers gave a brief respite.

Pettine's blitzes and stunts (including the very enthusiastic Fackrell kamikaze T-E twist) look new now but won't be in two years.

[Pugger]

Best thing about this trade is the carries should go to Jones!

THIS!

[Pugger]

There is a simple scheme fix for the Montgomery problem.

OMG! Too bad we didn't have someone back there with him in LA last Sunday.

[Pugger]

On and on about Capers - sheeesh! It was and still is a personnel problem, and that's squarely on Ted. Gutekunst is improving things, but it takes time. We are coming around to where we should be now at Corner. That just leaves most of the rest of the D as substandard.

Capers was swimming against the tide to compensate with his schemes. Pettine is no worse, but I don't see him as any better either.

Is it, tho? How much different is the D personnel this year compared to the last couple? I'm seeing a better defense already with only a couple of new faces starting this year.

[texaspackerbacker]

To the extent that this years D is better - and I'm not so sure it even is, it clearly is the personnel. Alexander has made a real difference when he has played, and he has learned from early mistakes and gotten better. Jackson hasn't been as good as I hoped yet, but I think he still will be. Some people complain about Martinez, but he also has gotten better lately, as has Kenny Clark. But beyond that, what do you have? Daniels has regressed a little bit for some reason. And nobody else has shown any consistent quality play. The much maligned Fackrell has been about the only other bright spot.

I said I wanted to see more of those jail break blitzes. Well, it seems like that is about the only way this D can get real pressure on the QB. Capers get criticized for his blitz packages being predictable, but I really haven't seen anything other than those all out jail breaks from Pettine that worked - and after several successes, the Rams figured out a way to counter it with those crossing patterns underneath the deep coverage. And the Packers weren't able to counter that counter.

Last week's game showed that the Packers can beat just about anybody with Aaron Rodgers and even just borderline good D. I think we can still go all the way this season, but an upgrade in several areas would solidify that even more for next year and beyond.

How did the "Montgomery to Ravens" thread get onto this? hahahahaha

[Bretsky]

Is it, tho? How much different is the D personnel this year compared to the last couple? I'm seeing a better defense already with only a couple of new faces starting this year.

Don't the two new CB's immediately bring more talent to this D ?

[mraynrand]

Don't the two new CB's immediately bring more talent to this D ?

fortunately, yes

[Pugger]

Don't the two new CB's immediately bring more talent to this D ?

Like I said - a couple.

[call_me_ishmael]

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/1/5/16853446/afc-playoffs-influential-offense-andy-reid-kansas-city-chiefs-college-spread

“You’ve got this evolution of running backs who can play receiver — it started with Marshall Faulk, but now it’s everywhere,” Mariucci said. “Christian McCaffrey, Kareem Hunt, Alvin Kamara. Todd Gurley has more yards than most receivers on the Rams.”

Ty Montgomery was super misused. Had he gone on waivers, I think KC would have picked him up.

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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/1...college-spread

Ty Montgomery was super misused. Had he gone on waivers, I think KC would have picked him up.

???

He was their spread offense and 3rd down back. Caught a lot of balls. The offense may be stagnant but they knew what Monty did well.

[call_me_ishmael]

I will be the first to admit I don't watch a lot of football and when I do, I don't watch it closely since I normally have a kid crawling on me or something to that general effect, but I reckon I cannot remember many (any?) instances of Ty running angle routes or anything like that out of the back field getting iso'd on a linebacker. He would/should destroy a linebacker with his combination of size and quickness. He's special in that sense.

[pbmax]

I will be the first to admit I don't watch a lot of football and when I do, I don't watch it closely since I normally have a kid crawling on me or something to that general effect, but I reckon I cannot remember many (any?) instances of Ty running angle routes or anything like that out of the back field getting iso'd on a linebacker. He would/should destroy a linebacker with his combination of size and quickness. He's special in that sense.

All true. But that isn't just Montgomery. RB are generally underused in M3's offense. Wheel routes, check downs and screens are all there are.

Basically, the John Kuhn route tree.

[Harlan Huckleby]

All true. But that isn't just Montgomery. RB are generally underused in M3's offense. Wheel routes, check downs and screens are all there are.

Basically, the John Kuhn route tree.

The Patriots just schooled the Packers on how to use running backs in the passing game.

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Packers also run a WR screen with the RB as the receiver from a single back, basically blocked like a WR screen but a long toss/handoff to the RB. But haven't seen it in awhile.

With so few plays to the RB, I wonder why they go empty backfield? Its just going to move a LB. Would be much more effective if they feared the WR as a receiver.

[texaspackerbacker]

The Patriots just schooled the Packers on how to use running backs in the passing game.

I suspect that has a lot to do with comparative quality of the O Line blocking and the need to keep RBs in to block free pass rushers.