What's the roster makeover going to look like, who stays/goes??

[wist43]

On defense you have to start at the LB position.

Gone for sure: Perry, Morrison, Ryan, the stopgap signees.

Should be gone: Matthews, Fackrell

DL was a serious disappointment this year. Only guys back for sure are Clark and Daniels.

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On offense... have to rebuild the OL.

Back are Bacteria and Linsley.

Gone?? Pretty much everyone else will have to fight for a job.

Cobb is gone.

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That's a lot of cap space opened up... two 1st round picks, the rookies develop (Alexander, Jackson, the Wr's), sign some key FA's, give Rodgers some hope and turn him around...

I think we can turn it around fairly quickly.

[bobblehead]

We can. I think Fackrell is under contract and no reason to cut him.

On D we are going to need 1 starter at OLB. 1 starter at ILB. 1 starter at S (probably on the roster king/jackson) Resign wilkerson and cut brice so wilkerson stays healthy. That gives us 4 DL out of 5 (lowery stays).

On O we need another real WR. And as you said, 3/5 OL. I really believe they go WR/G/OLB with first 3 picks. Would need to nail all 3 to turn this around in one year. Tonyan might develop. Really need a RT.

[texaspackerbacker]

Clark, Daniels, Lowery, and Adams should stay on the D Line. I doubt they bring back Wilkerson.

At OLB, Fackrell and Gilbert are decent and cheap. I think Matthews re-signs for a lot lower salary, but maybe not if somebody else overpays for him. Perry should be gone for sure.

At ILB, there's nothing wrong with Martinez if we can pair him up with somebody decent. I'd give Ryan another chance as a back up if he is cheap and healthy.

We have quality and quantity at Corner - King still is worth keeping, Jackson should still develop, Tony Brown gets at least a shot at staying. Breeland was good when he was healthy too.

Tramon has been decent at both Corner and Safety and I still think Josh Jones has shown enough to keep. Campbell has shown enough to be a decent back up and special teams player also.

On offense, I don't really like Kizer, but whatever - we're screwed with anybody but Rodgers anyway.

We could use a third RB.

Need another WR? Why? Even if Cobb is gone - and somebody undoubtedly will over pay him, I could Adams, MVS, St. Brown, Moore, Kumerow, and maybe Davis. One star right now, two very decent and improving, two with plenty of potential, and one quality kick returner. That's six. Any more and you cut somebody decent.

TE: I think they keep Graham although I guess he goes way up in cost so maybe not. Tonyan looks like a keeper. Kendrick might come back cheap but I doubt it, and Marcedes, who knows/who cares.

And then there's the O Line ....... we're finally gonna find out whether they really are lame-assed players or whether Campen was a shitty O Line coach. My guess, even though I don't like it, is that at least three or four will start opening day next season. Several fairly high draft picks will be there, but will start out as back ups.

Special teams: Crosby ought to be gone. What is it, $5.7 million he makes or something like that? A bunch of teams have picked up UDFAs who get a million or less and kick better than him. Scott I think stays and gets better.

Somebody said in one of these threads only 5 or 6 players on the whole team are worth keeping; That's just stupid - or at least hyperbole. We need some high quality - getting lucky for once with some draft picks - LB, Safety, O Line, etc. but not really much beyond that.

[texaspackerbacker]

Clark, Daniels, Lowery, and Adams should stay on the D Line. I doubt they bring back Wilkerson.

At OLB, Fackrell and Gilbert are decent and cheap. I think Matthews re-signs for a lot lower salary, but maybe not if somebody else overpays for him. Perry should be gone for sure.

At ILB, there's nothing wrong with Martinez if we can pair him up with somebody decent. I'd give Ryan another chance as a back up if he is cheap and healthy.

We have quality and quantity at Corner - King still is worth keeping, Jackson should still develop, Tony Brown gets at least a shot at staying. Breeland was good when he was healthy too.

Tramon has been decent at both Corner and Safety and I still think Josh Jones has shown enough to keep. Campbell has shown enough to be a decent back up and special teams player also.

On offense, I don't really like Kizer, but whatever - we're screwed with anybody but Rodgers anyway.

We could use a third RB.

Need another WR? Why? Even if Cobb is gone - and somebody undoubtedly will over pay him, I could Adams, MVS, St. Brown, Moore, Kumerow, and maybe Davis. One star right now, two very decent and improving, two with plenty of potential, and one quality kick returner. That's six. Any more and you cut somebody decent.

TE: I think they keep Graham although I guess he goes way up in cost so maybe not. Tonyan looks like a keeper. Kendrick might come back cheap but I doubt it, and Marcedes, who knows/who cares.

And then there's the O Line ....... we're finally gonna find out whether they really are lame-assed players or whether Campen was a shitty O Line coach. My guess, even though I don't like it, is that at least three or four will start opening day next season. Several fairly high draft picks will be there, but will start out as back ups.

Special teams: Crosby ought to be gone. What is it, $5.7 million he makes or something like that? A bunch of teams have picked up UDFAs who get a million or less and kick better than him. Scott I think stays and gets better.

Somebody said in one of these threads only 5 or 6 players on the whole team are worth keeping; That's just stupid - or at least hyperbole. We need some high quality - getting lucky for once with some draft picks - LB, Safety, O Line, etc. but not really much beyond that.

[ThunderDan]

Somebody said in one of these threads only 5 or 6 players on the whole team are worth keeping; That's just stupid - or at least hyperbole. We need some high quality - getting lucky for once with some draft picks - LB, Safety, O Line, etc. but not really much beyond that.

It was me and that isn't what I said but no surprise from you.

I said there were 5-6 locks on the team next year. ARod, Adams, Bakh, Linsley, Clark, Alexander, the punter.

I also said 35-40 of the players will be back next year. Not a big surprise if turn over 25% of our roster that is only 13 players. I would expect maybe slightly higher this year. If I count correctly we have 23 players on our roster that weren't on the roster last year.

[pbmax]

I wonder if changing the LB coach (Moss) will change the look of the linebackers?

[Deputy Nutz]

QB: Aaron "The Coach Killer" Rodgers, Kizer
RB: Jones, Williams, draftee or free agent
WR: Adams, Valdez-Scantling, St. Brown, Moore, Kumerow, draftee free agent
TE: Graham, Tonyan Draftee free agent
OL: Linsley, Bakhtiari, Taylor draftees, free agents

DL: Daniels, Clark, Lowery, Adams, draftee or FA
ILB: Martinez, Burks Draftees, free agents
OLB: Fackrell, Gilbert, Draftees, Free agents
DBs Josh Jones, Jackson, King, Alexander, Draftees, free agents

The defensive backfield was overhauled over the past two years but there is now a significant hole at the safety position. The Packers will also have a hole at outside linebacker with a serious lack of depth and playmakers. Inside linebacker is also very lean. The Packers will have to spend or draft to fix. The Packers are in decent shape along the defensive line. The real hole on this team is on the offensive line. Bulaga has nothing left. His legs are shot. Spriggs has been a complete disappointment and should be cut. The Packers have gotten very little from Taylor and Bell, and McCray. the other issue is Bakthairi, he is never healthy and also has leg problems, constantly. The Packers misses at the offensive line position in the previous drafts are coming back to hunt them.

[woodbuck27]

We can. I think Fackrell is under contract and no reason to cut him.

On D we are going to need 1 starter at OLB. 1 starter at ILB. 1 starter at S (probably on the roster king/jackson) Resign wilkerson and cut brice so wilkerson stays healthy. That gives us 4 DL out of 5 (lowery stays).

On O we need another real WR. And as you said, 3/5 OL. I really believe they go WR/G/OLB with first 3 picks. Would need to nail all 3 to turn this around in one year. Tonyan might develop. Really need a RT.

Good thoughts.

We need a very serious Pass Rush.

[mraynrand]

Good thoughts.

We need a very serious Pass Rush.

Tom Coughlin smiled.

[Carolina_Packer]

On defense you have to start at the LB position.

Gone for sure: Perry, Morrison, Ryan, the stopgap signees.

Should be gone: Matthews, Fackrell

DL was a serious disappointment this year. Only guys back for sure are Clark and Daniels.

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On offense... have to rebuild the OL.

Back are Bacteria and Linsley.

Gone?? Pretty much everyone else will have to fight for a job.

Cobb is gone.

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That's a lot of cap space opened up... two 1st round picks, the rookies develop (Alexander, Jackson, the Wr's), sign some key FA's, give Rodgers some hope and turn him around...

I think we can turn it around fairly quickly.

Look at the Bears. 2017 worst in NFC North, 2018 are in first place looking good, save for Chase Daniel having to play.

My hope is that they can fix what ails the O-line, or bring in some concepts that allow Rodgers to get the ball out more quickly. We also need to use Jones way more than MM did.

The defense needs a make-over. There are going to be a lot of holes to fill as you mentioned.

The thing I'm most hopeful of is that BG can acquire more talent via free agency to fill some of these holes, and hopefully find enough impact players to fit under the cap to help while developing the next wave of young talent. They just have to be the right impact players at the right cap number. This year, obviously, they still had a lot of rookies to bring along at DB and WR, plus all the injuries and personnel changes at safety. Earl Thomas would look nice in Green and Gold and could be the second coming of Woodson for the Packers, if he's healthy enough.

[wist43]

QB: Aaron "The Coach Killer" Rodgers, Kizer
RB: Jones, Williams, draftee or free agent
WR: Adams, Valdez-Scantling, St. Brown, Moore, Kumerow, draftee free agent
TE: Graham, Tonyan Draftee free agent
OL: Linsley, Bakhtiari, Taylor draftees, free agents

DL: Daniels, Clark, Lowery, Adams, draftee or FA
ILB: Martinez, Burks Draftees, free agents
OLB: Fackrell, Gilbert, Draftees, Free agents
DBs Josh Jones, Jackson, King, Alexander, Draftees, free agents

The defensive backfield was overhauled over the past two years but there is now a significant hole at the safety position. The Packers will also have a hole at outside linebacker with a serious lack of depth and playmakers. Inside linebacker is also very lean. The Packers will have to spend or draft to fix. The Packers are in decent shape along the defensive line. The real hole on this team is on the offensive line. Bulaga has nothing left. His legs are shot. Spriggs has been a complete disappointment and should be cut. The Packers have gotten very little from Taylor and Bell, and McCray. the other issue is Bakthairi, he is never healthy and also has leg problems, constantly. The Packers misses at the offensive line position in the previous drafts are coming back to hunt them.

That's a lot of "draftees, free agents", but I agree... Ted's drafts the past few years have been abysmal, and set the team back considerably.

Will have to look ahead at who is going to hit the FA market... what might make sense for targets to sign. Can't fill all the holes, but with a Grade A off season, I think we can get back to respectability pretty quickly.

I really want to see Gute focus on improving the LB Corp. If Fackrell is starting next year, we're in big trouble again. On offense, besides the OL, I would like to see a "scatback" Tarik Cohen type of RB added to the roster.

Beyond the new look roster, everything will depend on who Gute taps to be head coach... he needs to hit a homerun... and I think we're all in agreement that guy needs to be an offensive innovator.

[QBME]

I wonder if changing the LB coach (Moss) will change the look of the linebackers?

Good thought. What has become of Winston? At one point he looked to be fast tracking to something bigger and better.

[wist43]

The LB position is the one position that I think you have to give a pass to the position coaches, b/c the talent simply isn't there.

Unless of course Moss was party to the selecting of that substandard talent.

This is one area I think Gute needs to look very closely at, i.e. how scouts in the organization graded players we picked that are poor players, and how they graded players picked by other teams that turned out to be good players.

It is self scouting and evaluating your process that should be happening every year.

[KYPack]

QB: Aaron "The Coach Killer" Rodgers, Kizer
RB: Jones, Williams, draftee or free agent
WR: Adams, Valdez-Scantling, St. Brown, Moore, Kumerow, draftee free agent
TE: Graham, Tonyan Draftee free agent
OL: Linsley, Bakhtiari, Taylor draftees, free agents

DL: Daniels, Clark, Lowery, Adams, draftee or FA
ILB: Martinez, Burks Draftees, free agents
OLB: Fackrell, Gilbert, Draftees, Free agents
DBs Josh Jones, Jackson, King, Alexander, Draftees, free agents

The defensive backfield was overhauled over the past two years but there is now a significant hole at the safety position. The Packers will also have a hole at outside linebacker with a serious lack of depth and playmakers. Inside linebacker is also very lean. The Packers will have to spend or draft to fix. The Packers are in decent shape along the defensive line. The real hole on this team is on the offensive line. Bulaga has nothing left. His legs are shot. Spriggs has been a complete disappointment and should be cut. The Packers have gotten very little from Taylor and Bell, and McCray. the other issue is Bakthairi, he is never healthy and also has leg problems, constantly. The Packers misses at the offensive line position in the previous drafts are coming back to hunt them.

That's a decent cut at the roster. Lane Taylor, Mike Daniels, & other players regressed this season. I'd like to see the "new" coaching staff coach some guys up this next year. I know Bulaga is a wreck, but we've had nothing to replace him. McCray has a little potential, but he has also been non productive. We will need to prime the pump with some vet FA's that can turn around the OLine and provide depth on the DLine.

[wist43]

Did a little looking at the FA LB/Edge guys...

CJ Mosley, Lawrence (Dallas), Clowney, Anthony Barr top the list. Didn't look to be much OL talent out there, then again I've been too busy to keep up. I agree we need to move on from Crosby too.

We should be picking somewhere around 10, and NO pick will be around 30.