What's the roster makeover going to look like, who stays/goes??

[Rutnstrut]

If your draft picks don't work out, who do you trade?

Future picks, beer, brats, cheese, they figure it the fuck out. That's why they get paid a shit ton of money.

[mraynrand]

Future picks, beer, brats, cheese, they figure it the fuck out. That's why they get paid a shit ton of money.

But they don't figure it out, apparently. And you can't just trade SPRIGGS™ and a #2 for Khalil Mack. Oh well, maybe they turn it around after the lean last TT years....

[wist43]

Its easy to argue you know who the better players were after the fact. You overlook your mistakes and highlight the times you mention someone successful.

If you were an NFL GM, you'd hit on starters in draft picks less than 50% of the time. But you like to pretend it easy. That's just making a bold claim and never having to back it up.

Actual GMs need to live with their mistakes, you can ignore yours.

I miss on guys, and certainly don't devote enough time to studying draft picks to know guys further down the prospect list, but the guys get plenty of scrutiny - and no, it isn't rocket science.

I've been right on more top picks than TT was... which let's face it, wasn't hard to do the past few years. You can defend TT to the death if you want, but his poor drafts have depleted the team to what it is today - a sub .500 team.

[pbmax]

I look forward to your thread in which the one player you would take in each of the first three rounds gets posted the moment before the Pack select. No multiple players, no hedging.

Good luck. I actually agree with you regarding the Packers odd inability to hit on certain D picks, so I think you have a fair shot at outpicking Gute on D unless it’s a cornerback.

[run pMc]

We're all smarter than the GM and coaches.
Doesn't do much good to look at the 2014 draft and say "he shoulda drafted X instead!" unless you have a time machine, in which case you probably have better things to fix than GB's drafts.

I'm waiting, however, for someone to bring up how Ron Wolf was a rousing success with his 1st round picks.

Picking earlier in the draft order generally gets you a more talented player at a specific position, having more draft picks gets you more talent overall. That is, you have more chances to hit on a player if you have more picks, but that pick has a better chance to be special if he's picked earlier.

Argue away, but with a new coach it would not surprise me if the roster changes over considerably to the new HC's preferred O & D systems. That could lead to a lot of picks being cut/waived even if they are serviceable players.

[wist43]

I look forward to your thread in which the one player you would take in each of the first three rounds gets posted the moment before the Pack select. No multiple players, no hedging.

Good luck. I actually agree with you regarding the Packers odd inability to hit on certain D picks, so I think you have a fair shot at outpicking Gute on D unless it’s a cornerback.

I'm not shy about the guys I like... I'm on record.

You take the path of least resistance, i.e. just go with whoever the Pack picks as being the best thing since sliced bread. You're the one who needs to name your guys.

[pbmax]

I'm not shy about the guys I like... I'm on record.

You take the path of least resistance, i.e. just go with whoever the Pack picks as being the best thing since sliced bread. You're the one who needs to name your guys.

I am not the one claiming I can do it better than the pros. I gave up trying to do better than the pros long ago when I realized Mel and I were full of shit.

Webster Slaughter taught many lessons in 1986.

[mraynrand]

I've been right on more top picks than TT was... which let's face it, wasn't hard to do the past few years. You can defend TT to the death if you want, but his poor drafts have depleted the team to what it is today - a sub .500 team.

Even when you're 'right' about a pick TT should have taken, you have to evaluate that guy in the system in which he plays. For example, I liked Frank Clark, who I think Seattle took after Rollins. That guy probably has 20-30 sacks, but he plays in Seattle's 4-3 under. So maybe GB drafts him and he's a fish out of water in their 3-4 with Capers (even acknowledging Caper's flaws). Etc. etc.

[wist43]

I am not the one claiming I can do it better than the pros. I gave up trying to do better than the pros long ago when I realized Mel and I were full of shit.

Webster Slaughter taught many lessons in 1986.

I'm not claiming I can do better than "the pros", I'm claiming my wishlist against TT's actual picks was better - and it was. Like I said, that wasn't hard to do b/c TT's actual record on early round picks wasn't very good.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Even when you're 'right' about a pick TT should have taken, you have to evaluate that guy in the system in which he plays. For example, I liked Frank Clark, who I think Seattle took after Rollins. That guy probably has 20-30 sacks, but he plays in Seattle's 4-3 under. So maybe GB drafts him and he's a fish out of water in their 3-4 with Capers (even acknowledging Caper's flaws). Etc. etc.

Like the time Todd drafted the soft milksop 43 DE to play OLB in the 34 over hip hop safety Harrison Smith?

Collins’ career ended in, what, 2011? Pack still searching for Collins’ replacement. Thanks Todd.

[pbmax]

I'm not claiming I can do better than "the pros", I'm claiming my wishlist against TT's actual picks was better - and it was. Like I said, that wasn't hard to do b/c TT's actual record on early round picks wasn't very good.

A wishlist is not a draft pick. You are comparing apples to orangutans. It's obvious his top picks have been found wanting too often. No one in the entire universe is disagreeing with you.

But a wishlist is not the same as a series of discrete picks over the years. But you keep intimating (or alternately, insisting) that a measure of Thompsons' failure is that your wishlist is better. The comparison is facile. Stop trying to pat yourself on the back while you criticize Thompson unless you want to record the picks you would make in real time with the same information the team has during the draft.

Help the board understand why it was bad. Help the board understand how it could be better. But stop telling us you are better than Thompson at making picks unless you are actually willing to make picks.

And damn everyone for making me write something Bob McGinn would agree with.