More Banjo: Week 16 @ NYJets

[Guiness]

EDIT: should have been "best games of this year". Not an all timer.

I'd say first game vs Bears (week 1?) was better

[Pugger]

Did you know before this season that the 58 team was the last packer team to lose all their road games?

No one did, cause no one cared until this years team was so bad

We’ll now forget again about the 58 team just like history will forget this years team and today’s loss

Win or lose today, history will only remember this season for being complete shitshow, we may as well have gotten something good out of it

No but those damn announcers today kept harping on it, didn't they?

Yeah, we dropped a little in the draft and probably will again after next week seeing the loins are in full tank mode but I don't want our guys quitting. IMO that is just not a good look.

[yetisnowman]

I get the logic of the "tanking" philosophy, but in the NFL what do want the team to do? Bench a bunch of healthy starters? Punt on 3rd down? Imagine your a Packer fan in New York and you bought tickets this game over the summer. You're told "Sorry you're stuck watching Deshone Kizer today cause the benefits of GB getting the 7th pick instead of the 12th are too great to pass up" . Of course I'd love a high pick but it's not practical to expect a pro NFL team to lay down, intentionally give less than a hundred percent in hopes they lose.

[Teamcheez1]

I get the logic of the "tanking" philosophy, but in the NFL what do want the team to do? Bench a bunch of healthy starters? Punt on 3rd down? Imagine your a Packer fan in New York and you bought tickets this game over the summer. You're told "Sorry you're stuck watching Deshone Kizer today cause the benefits of GB getting the 7th pick instead of the 12th are too great to pass up" . Of course I'd love a high pick but it's not practical to expect a pro NFL team to lay down, intentionally give less than a hundred percent in hopes they lose.

I was offered free tickets to this game and turned them down.

[mraynrand]

I get the logic of the "tanking" philosophy, but in the NFL what do want the team to do? Bench a bunch of healthy starters? Punt on 3rd down? Imagine your a Packer fan in New York and you bought tickets this game over the summer. You're told "Sorry you're stuck watching Deshone Kizer today cause the benefits of GB getting the 7th pick instead of the 12th are too great to pass up" . Of course I'd love a high pick but it's not practical to expect a pro NFL team to lay down, intentionally give less than a hundred percent in hopes they lose.

All reasonable. But, you easily can argue that Rodgers is pretty beat up and you're protecting the franchise instead of putting him out there behind a pretty marginal line. Bench the beat up guys and you're OK.

OTH, I get the argument for not tanking and remaining competitive being good for team cohesiveness and expectations. In this scenario, you keep expectations and accountability high. Also, if your front office is worth anything, they ought to be able to draft pro-bowlers throughout the draft. If they can't do this, you're finished anyway (See Cleveland Browns 1999-2016).

[Rutnstrut]

For those that wanted them to lose for draft position. Get real, it's not like one high draft pick is going to save this team.

[yetisnowman]

All reasonable. But, you easily can argue that Rodgers is pretty beat up and you're protecting the franchise instead of putting him out there behind a pretty marginal line. Bench the beat up guys and you're OK.

OTH, I get the argument for not tanking and remaining competitive being good for team cohesiveness and expectations. In this scenario, you keep expectations and accountability high. Also, if your front office is worth anything, they ought to be able to draft pro-bowlers throughout the draft. If they can't do this, you're finished anyway (See Cleveland Browns 1999-2016).

I mean isn't everybody beat up at this point of the year? I didn't see much of a hitch in Rodgers giddy up, other than after he was hit in the midsection. Training camp is 6 months away. Pretty hard sell to the fan base, and even harder to sell to the competitor to just take the rest of year off to avoid winning.
Agree on all your other assessments.

[yetisnowman]

I was offered free tickets to this game and turned them down.

Cool

[smuggler]

Kumerow is a real mystery.

[call_me_ishmael]

For those that wanted them to lose for draft position. Get real, it's not like one high draft pick is going to save this team.

For starters, you have no idea. But if this game took them from 7 to 14th, it isn't 7 picks, it's 49 picks. Having the choice of nearly 50 extra player is a massive advantage - get real.

[Joemailman]

remember that when in 4 to 5 years youre still bitching that we are always mediocre because we never get high draft picks

at least you'll forever be able to celebrate this win that will go down in history as doing nothing but cost us the chance at an elite prospect

we won a meaningless game today, and it might have cost us the chance to get back to the super bowl one more time in the rodgers era

what was proved by the win today? that we can beat a really really bad team in overtime? thats it

Packers will be picking somewhere between 10-16. It's asinine to think that picking in the top 10 instead of the teens greatly increasas their chances of playing in a Superb Owl. Drafting isn't all luck like Tex says, but it isn't an exact science either. The good GM's draft more great players than the bad ones regardless of their draft position. We'll see if Gutey is a good one. If he isn't, drafting ib the top 10 won't help.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, I notice you didn't say anything about how well they ran the ball today. Without the threat of the run late in the game, they don't win. I'm not talking about Rodgers running.

What I noticed is that when things were going good, it was pass pass pass - to a great extent out of desperation. When they ran first or passed short, things didn't go so well. Just the same, I'm glad we had decent ability to run as a change of pace. Yes, that made the passing game better, but more to the point, the great passing game made the run game work. At times today, the O Line was not as bad as usual also.

What I want to see is that we play the first, second, and third quarter the way we played the fourth quarter today and so many other desperation times.

[texaspackerbacker]

All reasonable. But, you easily can argue that Rodgers is pretty beat up and you're protecting the franchise instead of putting him out there behind a pretty marginal line. Bench the beat up guys and you're OK.

OTH, I get the argument for not tanking and remaining competitive being good for team cohesiveness and expectations. In this scenario, you keep expectations and accountability high. Also, if your front office is worth anything, they ought to be able to draft pro-bowlers throughout the draft. If they can't do this, you're finished anyway (See Cleveland Browns 1999-2016).

Yeah, he sure looked beat up hahahahaha. And yes, whether it's skill or luck in the draft or whatever combination, the chances of getting star quality players isn't gonna change much if you go up or down a couple of picks.

And no, Joe, I never said drafting is ALL luck - just that there's a helluva lot of luck involved.

[texaspackerbacker]

Kumerow is a real mystery.

Explain please.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Condolences to the lame-assed "fans" who wanted the Packers to lose.

I was stoic.