More Banjo: Week 16 @ NYJets

[Harlan Huckleby]

Draft position affects all 7 rounds, not just the first.

Draft position means a lot. It's a factor whether a GM is good or bad. It may not be important as the skill of the GM, but it still biases the outcome.

[mraynrand]

Draft position affects all 7 rounds, not just the first.

Draft position means a lot. It's a factor whether a GM is good or bad. It may not be important as the skill of the GM, but it still biases the outcome.

yep. The brain trust blew an entire season to position the team fro draft success in 2019. More vanity wins for Rodgers isn't helping.

[mmmdk]

Great Packers win and AR is not done!

[mraynrand]

Great Packers win and AR is not done!

"great"


It was fun, but I disagree with 'great'

Also, Rodgers got the desire reaction from you. In some ways, that's probably a good thing.

[ThunderDan]

I loved the game and the win. It was a fun 4th quarter and overtime. A game to cheer about after all of the disappointments.

[Rutnstrut]

For starters, you have no idea. But if this game took them from 7 to 14th, it isn't 7 picks, it's 49 picks. Having the choice of nearly 50 extra player is a massive advantage - get real.

Even if they hit big time on their pick. There are too many areas of need, it's pretty obvious.

[bobblehead]

For those that wanted them to lose for draft position. Get real, it's not like one high draft pick is going to save this team.

Strangely for a guy I rarely agree with, this is spot on. Just as I have said before, every fan thinks they are one superstar away. Truth is we are much further than that. We need the kind of drafts that net you 5 starters from every damn round. Teams win because they get tyreek hill in the 5th and Justin Houston in the 3rd....but fans only remember trading up for Maholmes.

[texaspackerbacker]

Teams win because they get tyreek hill in the 5th and Justin Houston in the 3rd....but fans only remember trading up for Maholmes.

Would you agree, that sort of thing requires a large amount of LUCK?

My contention, of course, is that we are right there with what we already have - not even with an additional superstar. Aaron Rodgers + crap = a strong team; Aaron Rodgers + mediocrity = excellence. Aaron Rodgers with a good supporting cast would be damn near unbeatable.

[bobblehead]

Would you agree, that sort of thing requires a large amount of LUCK?

My contention, of course, is that we are right there with what we already have - not even with an additional superstar. Aaron Rodgers + crap = a strong team; Aaron Rodgers + mediocrity = excellence. Aaron Rodgers with a good supporting cast would be damn near unbeatable.

No, I disagree on nearly every count. Drafting is not Luck, some guys are much better at it. Ozzie Newsome has drafted superior to the league for about 15-20 years. Rodgers certainly elevates a team, but at the end of the day the only time he makes a tackle is when he throws a pick. He can't run a route and get open for MVS. HOF QBs elevate a team, but they need a lot of help to win a superbowl. If that wasn't the case then guys like Flacco and Dilfer could never win one.

[bobblehead]

Also to the luck factor, TT must be one lucky SOB. He basically GMed a superbowl roster in seattle and GB. Schneider rebuilt KC and is doing the same with Cleveland. Some guys have a track record of success and some don't. Having a top notch scouting department helps and ours keeps getting raided.

[Bretsky]

My contention, of course, is that we are right there with what we already have - not even with an additional superstar. Aaron Rodgers + crap = a strong team; Aaron Rodgers + mediocrity = excellence. Aaron Rodgers with a good supporting cast would be damn near unbeatable.

I love your logic and look forward to our run in the playoffs this year

[texaspackerbacker]

No, I disagree on nearly every count. Drafting is not Luck, some guys are much better at it. Ozzie Newsome has drafted superior to the league for about 15-20 years. Rodgers certainly elevates a team, but at the end of the day the only time he makes a tackle is when he throws a pick. He can't run a route and get open for MVS. HOF QBs elevate a team, but they need a lot of help to win a superbowl. If that wasn't the case then guys like Flacco and Dilfer could never win one.

You're putting the cart before the horse. Yeah, in rare cases, teams can win Super Bowls with mediocre QBs; That's a whole different topic from the idea that a Great QB can win with a mediocre supporting cast. Clearly, both scenarios can happen; Clearly, both have happened.

Ozzie Newsome probably was a good GM/good at drafting. His teams were fairly good during his tenure, but you can say the same for a lot of teams - New England and Green Bay at the top of that list and actually way better than Baltimore. He also got lucky with his draft picks a lot. I never said drafting is ALL luck; I just said LUCK is a major part of success - players falling to you, injuries or the lack of them, players performing above or below expectations long term, etc.

[pbmax]

After going to all the trouble they did to tank the season, and position themselves for better draft picks, having Rodgers pull out all the stops to prove he can win without Stubby was a meaningless and potentially very costly display of pure vanity.

But I confess, I enjoyed the second half. It's still just a transient football game, and I might be dead come next fall.

That is what the team gets for not publicly committing to the Tank™. If they had, or if they just tell Rodgers to sit, it could have been done.

This part of the "plan" makes me think that the midseason firing wasn't originally part of the plan.

[pbmax]

Draft position affects all 7 rounds, not just the first.

Draft position means a lot. It's a factor whether a GM is good or bad. It may not be important as the skill of the GM, but it still biases the outcome.

Listen to this man.

[Pugger]

You're putting the cart before the horse. Yeah, in rare cases, teams can win Super Bowls with mediocre QBs; That's a whole different topic from the idea that a Great QB can win with a mediocre supporting cast. Clearly, both scenarios can happen; Clearly, both have happened.

Ozzie Newsome probably was a good GM/good at drafting. His teams were fairly good during his tenure, but you can say the same for a lot of teams - New England and Green Bay at the top of that list and actually way better than Baltimore. He also got lucky with his draft picks a lot. I never said drafting is ALL luck; I just said LUCK is a major part of success - players falling to you, injuries or the lack of them, players performing above or below expectations long term, etc.

Mediocre QBs that win Super Bowls do so because they have historically great defenses.