Pettine

[Rutnstrut]

This raises an interesting point and one that will be easier to break down after the new coach has been in GB for a while.

Every coach does things differently. McCarthy, both originally and in response to the 2011 CBA never did a tremendous amount of individual drill work. He also did not repeat plays until the play was run correctly for the most part (it did happen, but not the norm).

The individual drill thing is hard to read but McGinn used to be apoplectic that the Packers spent far less time under McCarthy than Sherman doing drills, especially after a sloppy performance. Its not that they did not do them, but that they were not a focus as much as they were under PSL. Its impossible to put this in any context because we lack numbers and have only observations from long ago, but I have always wondered if this cost players who needed to develop physically and technique wise after being drafted. Its also possible PSL was already an anachronism while he was doing drills that lasted forever. The one specific complaint I remember is that McCarthy would not let drills run long to complete some sequence or teaching point. He wanted everything done on time and at speed to help with conditioning, which was never a separate part of his camp practices (they did not run gassers before or after practice). He wanted necessary corrections to be done during position group meetings.

The other thing is repeating plays in 7 on 7 or 11 on 11 drills or scrimmages. Many coaches do/did this (Holmgren) but it can lead to long practices and interfere with the speed of the practice as you correct on the field. McCarthy would rather pull players to correct than re-run the play. Pull the offender, substitute in, correct behind the LOS so practice can continue.

So you are saying rather than fix the problem, stubby would avoid it to keep practice flowing? If so, that alone says a lot about what kind of idiot he is.

[pbmax]

So you are saying rather than fix the problem, stubby would avoid it to keep practice flowing? If so, that alone says a lot about what kind of idiot he is.

No, they fixed the problem in meetings and in film. They did not stop practice to get one player on the same page as the rest. They would sub him out. I think this dynamic speaks to how talented players (Bishop for instance) stayed in reserve roles longer than their athleticism would have predicted. The effect was to put fundamentally sound players out there ahead of general athletes.

The drill thing has always intrigued me. I wonder if that affects tackling or zone defense. But the complaints have died away, especially after 2011. I suspect Sherm was on the backside of this trend and M3 was on the front of the wave to changing practice habits.

[Rutnstrut]

No, they fixed the problem in meetings and in film. They did not stop practice to get one player on the same page as the rest. They would sub him out. I think this dynamic speaks to how talented players (Bishop for instance) stayed in reserve roles longer than their athleticism would have predicted. The effect was to put fundamentally sound players out there ahead of general athletes.

The drill thing has always intrigued me. I wonder if that affects tackling or zone defense. But the complaints have died away, especially after 2011. I suspect Sherm was on the backside of this trend and M3 was on the front of the wave to changing practice habits.

Except that way of "fixing" the problem did not seem effective. Hence stubby always saying we'll fix that.

[Pugger]

Except that way of "fixing" the problem did not seem effective. Hence stubby always saying we'll fix that.

And he never did and now is job hunting. I heard the Jets are interested.

[pbmax]

Except that way of "fixing" the problem did not seem effective. Hence stubby always saying we'll fix that.

There definitely were consistent themes in his tenure. Tackling. ST. Lack of late game adjustments.

That is why a new regime will be interesting to watch.

McCarthy was an improvement over Sherman is the managing personalities and emotions of the season department. His passing game was more advanced too. But he and Ted never had quite that running game.

[bobblehead]

Do we already have a thread on him? I really don't give a damn - and I really wouldn't give a damn if he isn't the D Coordinator next season. It always irked me that there was so much pissing and moaning about Capers. Well ya'all pissers and moaners got rid of him, and is our D better? the same? or worse? I'd say worse. Part of that, of course, is still personnel, but I really haven't noticed anything creative or praiseworthy from Pettine's schemes - less so even than the much maligned Capers.

Was markedly better until we were seriously injured and they started testing all the young guys.

[bobblehead]

When they stopped the bears with a coverage sack...when they stopped the rams twice on the same drive....that wasn't something capers D had done since 2010.

[bobblehead]

defense is 4 lines. the line, the line backers the corners and the safeties

we currently have no starters at LB, other then the white mexican, and no starting safeties

thats 5 starters we have to find for next season on defense

I'll be starting an "optimism/pessimism" thread for each position group after the superbowl, but a quick preview. Optimism at Safety could be converting Jackson to S, Keeping TWill there for another year and it suddenly looks a lot better. Pessimism is that Jackson is a flop, Twill suddenly looks old and we don't bring in anyone of consequence to the group.