The Official Fire Mike Pettine Thread

[GB-Brandon]

It would be one thing if playing small over and over again was benefitting the pass defense but I can't say that it is. We still give up passes over the middle consistently. I'm not expecting the defense to dominate but I do expect them to at least try to play to the offenses weakness. Rivers has a weak arm so you'd think you'd want to make him throw outside the hashes right? Instead, Rivers picks up the majority of his yards to the middle of the field yesterday.

Being in a “Dime” and having Preston Smith who looks closer to 280 then 260 matched up on a TE down field is Fucken Stupid!!!

[texaspackerbacker]

I know people like exotic schemes and smoke and mirrors, but what if they played a simpler defense with more sound principles? I think Pettine's D has some fun wrinkles, but I wonder if they are playing a lot of young guys (or will have to because of the cap) if it would be easier to play something less exotic. I mean, they are already aiming for a bend-don't break thing now, and they have players like Clark, Smith, etc. who can win a 1-1 matchup.

There are many things about Pettine's D that I think are good, but I also see flaws and feel like they are less than the sum of their parts and only get by on individuals making an occasional play (which is happening less this year). This is not a disciplined, swarming to the ball D. Maybe that's scheme, maybe it's coaching. Blake's comments about being a clean up guy indicate there's a lot of gambling going on and probably not enough communication. Hard to play as one when you can't trust guys to be where they should because they are guessing.

Do you feel confident they will stop a team on 3rd or 4th down? I don't.

Those exotic schemes or whatever are used when the personnel is deficient, and that certainly describes the Packers D - past, present, and probably for a good while in the future. It's been said that Jim Leonhard's D scheme is the same as Pettine's, yet the Badgers do look disciplined and generally do a lot of swarming too. Yes, my guess is that it is coaching. The play making is often accompanied by a bunch of wrong guesses and being out of position. That shouldn't happen unless it is planned and covered by another player - Pettine or somebody needs to make that clear to the Smiths among others.

To answer your question, no, I don't have much confidence they can stop anybody in a critical situation. Part of that is shoddy personnel, some of it might be good players not making smart decisions, and some of it might be defective scheming.

If this season ends up with anything less than as NFC champs, then LaFleur should find a new D Coordinator.

[GB-Brandon]

Those exotic schemes or whatever are used when the personnel is deficient, and that certainly describes the Packers D - past, present, and probably for a good while in the future. It's been said that Jim Leonhard's D scheme is the same as Pettine's, yet the Badgers do look disciplined and generally do a lot of swarming too. Yes, my guess is that it is coaching. The play making is often accompanied by a bunch of wrong guesses and being out of position. That shouldn't happen unless it is planned and covered by another player - Pettine or somebody needs to make that clear to the Smiths among others.

To answer your question, no, I don't have much confidence they can stop anybody in a critical situation. Part of that is shoddy personnel, some of it might be good players not making smart decisions, and some of it might be defective scheming.

If this season ends up with anything less than as NFC champs, then LaFleur should find a new D Coordinator.

Actually it should lead to a complete shake up of the power structure!!! Mark Murphy needs to be relegated to his role and his hands need to be taken out of the cookie jar or shown the door. Brian GuteKunst needs to be immediately Fired and kicked out of the state of Wisconsin !!!! The new power structure needs to have the shareholders making decisions on new power structure. A power structure that creates accountability and brings back excellence to this franchise.

Obviously Mike Pettine should Be Fired.

This lack of accountability is sick and problematic. It is an evil cancerous tumor that has grown malignant!!! There is no cure in just cutting out the tumor at this stage as it is so large. The entire thing must be gutted for us to bring back “Greatness” to Green Bay Packer Football!!!!

[GB-Brandon]

It was also really really fun watching Pettine put Kirksey on Pittman multiple times. LOL!!

How can you be in nickel and dime sets and allow this to happen?

[run pMc]

It was also really really fun watching Pettine put Kirksey on Pittman multiple times. LOL!!

How can you be in nickel and dime sets and allow this to happen?

When you send guys on shallow crossers, you're likely to have ILBs and S's in there. I don't know that they were playing man all the time -- I assume that was Frank Reich scheming receivers into softer spots in zone coverage. Kirksey on Pittman is a mismatch they would obviously try to exploit and is presumably a reason they go with a hybrid safety type to run with these guys. As mentioned, we likely wouldn't complain about coverage in the MOF if the defense was doing its job.

Totally agree on making Rivers throw outside the hashes and squat on short routes and middle of the field stuff. He has feasted on that for a few years now, and i wasn't surprised to see him have success with it yesterday.

Tex, I get you like Leonhard as a DC, but comparing the pros to college defensively is a tough sell -- you can get away with a shitty scheme if you have superior athletes. I do think we both agree the defense has to improve. What I see on the field is a far cry from Week 1 of last year with Rodgers saying "we got a defense now".

[GB-Brandon]

I like Leonhard a lot but I don’t believe he is the answer.

I want to go to a 4-3 with bullies upfront that protect every blade of grass in the run game and fast LB’s that can cover ground and hit. I want big press corners that can play cover 3 and disrupt routes giving the D-Line more time to get home. I want a single high free safety that can cover ground that has great instincts. Overall, I want a defense that attacks the LOS!!!!

This is the blueprint!!! Tired of this Mickey Mouse Bullshit!! People should be past very upset with this SHIT SHOW that has been going on for ten years. These “So Called Geniuses” are nothing more then “Entitled Idiots”

Get them the fuck out of here!! Enough is Enough!!!!

[texaspackerbacker]

Leonhard was referred to as "like a coach on the field" when he played in the NFL, and he apparently soaked up a lot of knowledge from Rex Ryan, etc. I think he could handle pro football level coaching just fine.

I've seen enough 4-3 with enough teams to say hell no to that in the modern era.

[GB-Brandon]

Leonhard was referred to as "like a coach on the field" when he played in the NFL, and he apparently soaked up a lot of knowledge from Rex Ryan, etc. I think he could handle pro football level coaching just fine.

I've seen enough 4-3 with enough teams to say hell no to that in the modern era.

I like Leonhard a lot. I know all about him and have actually met him. Not sure he is the answer at this time. However; he couldn’t be any worse then Pettine. The bar is very low right now at many areas with this front office and coaching staff.

[Joemailman]

Bump. Have at it.

[mmmdk]

Just fire him; can't be much worse with whoever.

[George Cumby]

Fuck Mike Pettine.

[King Friday]

Two horrid performances in back to back NFCC games. I believe there are better options available. Pettine was not MLF's guy, so my guess is that he'll be a prime candidate to get canned. To me, the Bucs defense with our players would probably be just as good. It comes down to scheme and tactics. Pettine isn't good enough as a coach.

[RashanGary]

The Falcons old HC, his name escapes me, maybe him to replace Pettine

[Bretsky]

I'd agree, but I think Dan Quinn has already been hired as a DC

I'd take Jim Leonard over this guy but I don't want the Badgers to lose him

But get rid of him

[Joemailman]

The frustrating thing to me is that is that Pettine has a CB who basically eliminates whatever receiver liners up on his side of the field. That should give gthem an advantage elsewhere that they don't seem able to take advantage of.