Here is the blockbuster 'Can Of Worms ' Story on Green Bay Packer dysfunction.

[pbmax]

i think Ball liked playing gm and kept it quiet for a little while. heard the 17 draft was him, murphy, and the personnel dept in scramble mode.

If it was that bad, why sit on it for the summer and roster cutdown? Gute was hired in Jan 2018.

[gbgary]

If it was that bad, why sit on it for the summer and roster cutdown? Gute was hired in Jan 2018.

right. after the 17 season was done. after the 17 draft it's up to mccarthy, ball, and whoever, to do the roster. i think that whole process is what led to mccarthy's ultimatum about quitting if ball was named gm. ball didn't/doesn't know personnel (hyde/hayward decisions). murphy clearly decided thompson had to go early 17.

[pbmax]

right. after the 17 season was done. after the 17 draft it's up to mccarthy, ball, and whoever, to do the roster. i think that whole process is what led to mccarthy's ultimatum about quitting if ball was named gm. ball didn't/doesn't know personnel (hyde/hayward decisions). murphy clearly decided thompson had to go early 17.

OK. But why not act on it? Why use hanger wire and electrical tape for another 3/4 of a year.

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OK. But why not act on it? Why use hanger wire and electrical tape for another 3/4 of a year.

i don't think murphy had the stones to completely clean house like he should have

last year was a complete waste of a season by leaving fat fuck linger

thats why i say murphy is responsible for this mess as much as anyone

[woodbuck27]

Lol.

Ok Alpha Male.

Fuck off you fucking hypocrite. You have more sand in your vag then any one else on this board you whining pussy.

George your signature is too hahahaha.

[woodbuck27]

here's an interview from yesterday that confirms what i heard, and mentioned here, about russ ball running stuff, and other interesting stuff. take a listen...

https://billmichaelssports.radio.com...ckers-qb-aaron

Every packerrat should take the time to listen to the Bill Michael's Sports Show Pod Cast on this matter/ issue and know as much as possible on this entire matter. It is no longer acceptable as Packer fans, that any of us choose a stance of denial. That any of us exhibit false pride and dumbass ego.

Frankly it has all been right there in front of us, the mess the Packets became and why....and 'the why' is covered by this Pod Cast.

Nice find and post gbgary,

Thanks.

[woodbuck27]

OK. But why not act on it? Why use hanger wire and electrical tape for another 3/4 of a year.

Why!? Becase Packer President and Chair of the Packer Board wasn't up to speed; not clued in to the real goings on at1265 Lombardi Ave.

Mark Murphy was otherwise occupied with what? The Atrium Project. He trusted TT AND MM were doing their jobs competently.

He has a very huge embarrassing situation to deal with and he decides to solve it in a two part process of shedding BOTH TT AND THEN
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It should have be, en.obvious that after the Seattle loss that MM was out to lunch,ff frozen on the field and not capable of running the team on the sidelines and winning the huge games. He didn't even know which key players were on and off the field..
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[woodbuck27]

i don't think murphy had the stones to completely clean house like he should have

last year was a complete waste of a season by leaving fat fuck linger

thats why i say murphy is responsible for this mess as much as anyone

Yes your correct.

The key now is a great off season and the Mark Murphy gets everyone on the same page

The key is that the pieces are put into place to make that huge contract to Aaron Rodgers look justified but it was obviously now an error to rush to get it done.

Aaron Rodgers isn't likely to become all warm and fuzzy with many. He simply wants to win so get him the pieces to do so.I believe that starts by upgrading the RHS of the Offensive Line...getting a NO. 2 WR. Improving the Pass Rush as highest priorijties.

[Fritz]

All this gnashing of teeth is probably because no one has any idea how things will go, looking ahead. People are trying to create a narrative that makes sense in order to try to project the future, at least a little. Me, too. Having grown up watching Dan Devine tear the team into shreds, with consequences that had a ripple effect for a decade or so, I am concerned that this is the end of that glorious run we fans had from Wolf through the beginning of that last NFC Championship game against Atlanta. Those were some dark days, back in the 70's, and though there was a very entertaining blip in the 80's with Lynn Dickey and Lofton and company, it was just a blip.

So we're all just trying to get a handle as to whether this is going to be some long-running bungle, or whether LeFleur can learn quickly enough to right the ship. And whether Murphy/Gute have the acumen and nuts to find the next great QB.

[Joemailman]

All this gnashing of teeth is probably because no one has any idea how things will go, looking ahead. People are trying to create a narrative that makes sense in order to try to project the future, at least a little. Me, too. Having grown up watching Dan Devine tear the team into shreds, with consequences that had a ripple effect for a decade or so, I am concerned that this is the end of that glorious run we fans had from Wolf through the beginning of that last NFC Championship game against Atlanta. Those were some dark days, back in the 70's, and though there was a very entertaining blip in the 80's with Lynn Dickey and Lofton and company, it was just a blip.

So we're all just trying to get a handle as to whether this is going to be some long-running bungle, or whether LeFleur can learn quickly enough to right the ship. And whether Murphy/Gute have the acumen and nuts to find the next great QB.

We're probably not going to see another 10 year stretch like we saw from 2007 to 2016 where this team played in 4 NFC Title Games and made the playoffs 9 times. Outside of New England, that's about as good as it gets in today's NFL. But I think we're just as unlikely to see a return to the 1970's-80's. Why? Because this organization is making the tough decisions it takes to move ahead, rather than try to recreate the past. Just in the past year, we've seen the Packers move out Ted Thompson, fire Mike McCarthy, and release Jordy Nelson, and let go Clay Matthews and Randall Cobb. Contrast this to the bad old days when the Packers twice brought in Former Great Lombardi Players to try to bring back the glory days. Perhaps Murphy and Gute are consciously avoiding the mistakes the organization made in the past, or perhaps they're just smarter than the people running the organization back then.

[pbmax]

Fritz is correct to a point, I want to know if Murphy and Gute have their s*** together over the future.

But I also want to measure what is being reported against what we know. And if as Gary suggests he has heard elsewhere that Ted wasn't available for the 2017 draft, then I want to know why the decision was made to not hire a GM on the spot. Or how did they miss that for so long?

Draft prep in GB lasts for most of March and ALL the scouts and personnel people are in meetings at Lambeau. You telling me if Ted wasn't there or was beeping yes or no answers from his chair that no one talked about this?

When McCarthy allegedly weighs in against Ball, was he weighing in against a Ted protege or a guy with a year's track record?

If he was the de facto GM, how does Murphy not know? Seems more likely he does know and is considering Ball for the permanent gig in part based on how that went.

[Joemailman]

Fritz is correct to a point, I want to know if Murphy and Gute have their s*** together over the future.

But I also want to measure what is being reported against what we know. And if as Gary suggests he has heard elsewhere that Ted wasn't available for the 2017 draft, then I want to know why the decision was made to not hire a GM on the spot. Or how did they miss that for so long?

Draft prep in GB lasts for most of March and ALL the scouts and personnel people are in meetings at Lambeau. You telling me if Ted wasn't there or was beeping yes or no answers from his chair that no one talked about this?

When McCarthy allegedly weighs in against Ball, was he weighing in against a Ted protege or a guy with a year's track record?

If he was the de facto GM, how does Murphy not know? Seems more likely he does know and is considering Ball for the permanent gig in part based on how that went.

Thompson was lucid enough to talk about the decision to trade the 29th pick in 2017 for the 33rd pick, the pick that would eventually be Kevin King:

https://fox6now.com/2017/04/27/green...017-nfl-draft/

GREEN BAY — Ted Thompson wanted to make one thing clear to the NFL’s other 31 general managers Thursday night: Having already traded the Green Bay Packers’ first-round pick to the Cleveland Browns to move back, he’s willing to do so again on Day 2 of the draft.

“Oh yeah,” Thompson said with a smile. “We’re taking calls.”

The Packers sent the 29th overall pick to the Browns to move back four spots to the first pick of Friday’s second round (No. 33). They also got a fourth-round pick (No. 108).

It marked the second time in Thompson’s 13 drafts as the Packers’ general manager that the team did not make a first-round selection. In 2008, Thompson traded back from No. 30 in a deal with the New York Jets and selected Kansas State wide receiver Jordy Nelson with the 36th overall pick.

By adding the first pick of the fourth round, the Packers now have nine picks on the draft’s final two days: Two picks in the second, fourth and fifth rounds, and single picks in the third, sixth and seventh rounds.

“We felt like today went pretty good,” Thompson said. “Things fell like we felt was advantageous to us – especially for the next couple days. We feel good where we are, (even though) we didn’t draft anybody.”

The Browns used the 29th pick on Miami tight end David Njoku. One pick later, the Pittsburgh Steelers took Wisconsin outside linebacker T.J. Watt, a player many thought would interest the Packers given their dire need for pass-rushing help. The Packers also have pressing needs at cornerback, running back and inside linebacker.

Thompson said he made the deal because he felt he had a number of players he liked still available on his draft board. Among the most highly regarded players who fell out of the first round are Washington cornerbacks Kevin King and Sidney Jones, Kansas State pass rusher Jordan Willis, Houston pass rusher Tyus Bowser, Florida cornerback Quincy Wilson, Florida State running back Dalvin Cook and Oklahoma running back Joe Mixon.

The video of his comments might raise come concerns though about whether his struggles were beginning.

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Thompson was lucid enough to talk about the decision to trade the 29th pick in 2017 for the 33rd pick, the pick that would eventually be Kevin King:

https://fox6now.com/2017/04/27/green...017-nfl-draft/

I believe that’s when some of us actually noticed something was wrong

When you saw him actually do an interview, he looked at the time like he was drunk, some of us even commented at the time about it

I don’t know if it was that exact interview, or another one from that draft, but he was talking slowly and sluring his words

[Joemailman]

I believe that’s when some of us actually noticed something was wrong

When you saw him actually do an interview, he looked at the time like he was drunk, some of us even commented at the time about it

I don’t know if it was that exact interview, or another one from that draft, but he was talking slowly and sluring his words

I found the video and edited my post.

[bobblehead]

Interesting note. We owed it to MM to give him the rest of the season, but the minute TT showed a bit of mental decline we should have fired him immediately!!!

Being that I credit TT with a lot more of the success than I do MM I think we handled things ok. Again, TT was all class during his tenure (unless you thought we owed Brett 2 more years at the loss of ARod to Free agency). MM was/is an insufferable prick. I think that NAMING a new GM leading to the 2017 draft was pointless. We had a personnel team in place and I imagine letting TT run point didn't affect much. After that they convinced TT to step down of his own accord. Firing him early wouldn't have affected much (unless you wanted to give Dorsey the job). I think the massive rift between ARod and MM caused them to move on midseason as they did from MM. MM was as good as gone and they didn't want to piss ARod off anymore.