First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

[pbmax]

Stumbled across it:

	Gary	        Clowney
HT	6-4 3/8		6-5 1/4
WT	277		266
ARM	34 1/8		34 1/2
40	4.58		4.53
VJ	38″		37.5″
BJ	120″		124″
3C	7.26		7.27
SS	4.29		4.43
BP	26		21

FIFY

[MadScientist]

Game tape still shows a lot more Jane than Tarzan. When I saw the comments from Gute that he was getting double and triple teamed, I thought maybe he would be ok. Then I watched the game film. He didn't get off the ball well, he wasn't doubled all that much. He didn't get home and didn't provide much pressure. Simply put, he doesn't make plays. He was a little better in 2017, but only a little. Maybe he can hold his own on first down in base, but that's about it. Waste of a high pick.

[mission]

I couldn't have been more upset when this pick was announced... I'm still not behind it fully. Like most of you, the question is "how can this guy produce in the NFL if he doesn't have the numbers in college?"
Wish I had the tweet, but there is actually a pretty strong list of pass rushing beasts over the years who had the same or worse college production. There are so many variables and the NFL is a different beast all together.

Plus, his work out buddies will be Daniels, Clark, Sackrell, Smith & Smith...

I'm not completely doom and gloom anymore.. part of me thinks if they can get 10 sacks out of a guy like Fackrell, that they'll coach a good player out of this guy. Can't teach big and fast.

[RashanGary]

This is to help pull fritz out of his depression

[George Cumby]

I'm still seeing really quick feet.

[mraynrand]

This is to help pull fritz out of his depression

half of those QB hits would be 15 yarders in the NFL

[RashanGary]

half of those QB hits would be 15 yarders in the NFL

Shut up!!!

[mraynrand]

Shut up!!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Kind of an interesting comparison on Packers Wire between Gary and 4 time Pro Bowler Cameron Jordan of the Saints. Athletically and production wise, they are similar. Gary even mentioned that he studies Julius Peppers and Jordan the most in his conference call.

Jordan
6'4" 287, 35" arms, 4.78 40, 25 bench, 31" vert, 117" broad jump, 7.07 3 cone, 4.37 shuttle

College season highs
62 tackles, 12.5 tackles for loss, 6 sacks

Gary
6'4" 277, 34 1/8" arms, 4.58 40, 26 bench, 38" vert, 120" broad jump, 7.26 3 cone, 4.29 shuttle

College season highs
58 tackles, 11.5 tackles for loss, 5.5 sacks

Let's hope he develops like Jordan did.

[wist43]

Ok, everybody calm the fuck down

After a couple of mornings crying over my pancakes, I've come off of the ledge and decided to sit down and study the situation.

Firstly, I really didn't look at Gary much pre-draft b/c of all the negative talk surrounding him. That combined with his obvious lack of production, and one dimensional pass rush repitoire was enough for me to cast him aside without much thought.

Now, being forced to give it some thought and study... here is where I'm at on Gary post-draft, post-tears on pancakes, post-film study and listening to Gute's explanation.

I now believe Gary has a chance to be a player - but, he needs to develop. He is nowhere near a finished product in terms of being an NFL caliber pass rusher. Yet, as everyone acknowledges, he has the physical tools to be a stud.

His 2 biggest drawbacks as a passrusher are he doesn't have the pure speed/burst to beat NFL caliber OT's around the corner; and, he needs to develop both swim and rip techniques to get him past the blocker. As of now, he has no backup plan once stymied on his initial bull rush.

He uses his hands well, and has the strength and power to control the OL in front of him. This allows him to set the edge well, and back underneath in his pass rush.

Without better technique though, he will be limited.

I like his hustle, and he seems to be a good kid.

Gute said they are going to play him primarily standing up, so the possibilities are endless there. It sounds like Pettine will be employing a lot more 3-3 this year - which I've been beating the drum for for quite some time.

[Joemailman]

Ok, everybody calm the fuck down

After a couple of mornings crying over my pancakes, I've come off of the ledge and decided to sit down and study the situation.

Firstly, I really didn't look at Gary much pre-draft b/c of all the negative talk surrounding him. That combined with his obvious lack of production, and one dimensional pass rush repitoire was enough for me to cast him aside without much thought.

Now, being forced to give it some thought and study... here is where I'm at on Gary post-draft, post-tears on pancakes, post-film study and listening to Gute's explanation.

I now believe Gary has a chance to be a player - but, he needs to develop. He is nowhere near a finished product in terms of being an NFL caliber pass rusher. Yet, as everyone acknowledges, he has the physical tools to be a stud.

His 2 biggest drawbacks as a passrusher are he doesn't have the pure speed/burst to beat NFL caliber OT's around the corner; and, he needs to develop both swim and rip techniques to get him past the blocker. As of now, he has no backup plan once stymied on his initial bull rush.

He uses his hands well, and has the strength and power to control the OL in front of him. This allows him to set the edge well, and back underneath in his pass rush.

Without better technique though, he will be limited.

I like his hustle, and he seems to be a good kid.

Gute said they are going to play him primarily standing up, so the possibilities are endless there. It sounds like Pettine will be employing a lot more 3-3 this year - which I've been beating the drum for for quite some time.

Now that you've come down off the ledge, can you get Fritz off the ledge?

[Bretsky]

Wisty has just lost his stones ))

I do recall the quote being bookmarked .....something to the effect of he'll be out of the league within 3 years

[Bretsky]

Now that you've come down off the ledge, can you get Fritz off the ledge?

Fritz has watched him play and witnessed the overhype for four years in row. He's probably the best Gary source in here as he has seen and heard more about Gary than all of us combined. Just because Wist is trying to backtrack from his ex strong views doesn't mean Fritz will

[wist43]

Wisty has just lost his stones ))

I do recall the quote being bookmarked .....something to the effect of he'll be out of the league within 3 years

Well, lol... I was weeping on my pancakes at the time, so cut me some slack

[wist43]

Now that you've come down off the ledge, can you get Fritz off the ledge?

Fritz said he's stayin out there a while to think about planetary alignment or some such shit... he was mumbling and drooling though, so I just left him to it