First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

[Radagast]

As this thread is only concerned with GB's 1st (#12) 2019 Draft pick, I most carefully post that I did not like the choice. A top 20 draft pick and he is not close to ready to be a starter? Another project and with the top draft pick. Nevermind his strength, his physical strength could have been his best attribute on the College level, but that alone is not enough to dominate on the professional level. He could eventually become an above average run stopper on the pro level, but I don't see him racking up sacks as a pro.

Had GB waited to get him with the 2nd round (#44 pick), I believe that he would have still been available. I would have prefered that GB had picked either TE Noah Fant (Iowa) or TE Irv Smith (Alabama). I'll not take this post further into the draft as this thread only asked about Rashan Gary.

I believe that GB's GM, influenced by the last GM's methods, fumbled the ball. Up until this draft I had not yet been given any cause to post against this GM's moves.

[Tony Oday]

Best pick in the last 10 years. He will be a 10 sack guy that can cover TEs. Super stud at the position.

[Smidgeon]

As this thread is only concerned with GB's 1st (#12) 2019 Draft pick, I most carefully post that I did not like the choice. A top 20 draft pick and he is not close to ready to be a starter? Another project and with the top draft pick. Nevermind his strength, his physical strength could have been his best attribute on the College level, but that alone is not enough to dominate on the professional level. He could eventually become an above average run stopper on the pro level, but I don't see him racking up sacks as a pro.

Had GB waited to get him with the 2nd round (#44 pick), I believe that he would have still been available. I would have prefered that GB had picked either TE Noah Fant (Iowa) or TE Irv Smith (Alabama). I'll not take this post further into the draft as this thread only asked about Rashan Gary.

I believe that GB's GM, influenced by the last GM's methods, fumbled the ball. Up until this draft I had not yet been given any cause to post against this GM's moves.

For the record, you think Gary would have been available at #44?

[mraynrand]

For the record, you think Gary would have been available at #44?

Even Rodgers didn't slide that far!

[gbgary]

here's another grading video from (non-Packers homer) brett kollmann an SBNation writer. Has some other interesting videos on his YT channel. Packers start at 40:47...

[Joemailman]

here's another grading video from (non-Packers homer) brett kollmann an SBNation writer. Has some other interesting videos on his YT channel. Packers start at 40:47...

Good stuff. But Harvey beat you to it. http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...57#post1009857

[RashanGary]

That guy studies so hard and does such a good job. I hope he’s making money.

[smuggler]

He certainly is. With his subscriber total, he's got a good chance. It all depends on the views.

[call_me_ishmael]

This was an interesting read on Clelin Ferrell.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/05/06/mike-mayock-clelin-ferrell-raiders-2019-draft-kyler-murray-daniel-jones-dwayne-haskins

This passage made me think of our guy:

“I don’t think I would’ve been as surprised as a lot of the world,” Mayock said, with a laugh. “At the end of the day, people act like the thought wouldn’t occur to me to trade down and still get Cle. He was our guy, OK? And whether we got him at 4, 8, 10, it didn’t matter. He was gonna be our guy.

“He’s a foundation player. And even more importantly, he’s a three-down defensive end who can stick his hand in the dirt and play on run downs and pass downs. He’s not a guy who’s going to be a designated pass-rusher. He’s in there on every snap. And he’s gonna set the tone for us, as far as these young guys are concerned. I couldn’t wait to get to that pick.”

In my final “rumors” column that went up about three hours before the draft started, we did connect the Raiders to Ferrell. That was based on a couple tips I’d gotten. But, full disclosure, I didn’t think there was a chance they’d take him at 4, nor did the teams picking around them. In the end? I underestimated just how vital building around the right kind of guy—“our guy”—was going to be. I think most teams did, too.

“If you remember when Chris Long got drafted by St. Louis, he was the second pick, and when they drafted him, I knew the kind of player they were getting,” Mayock said. “Now, they were never able to successfully bring other guys around him, but Chris Long played his butt off every snap of every game, he set a physical edge in the run game, he got his 7, 8, 9, 10 sacks, and he energizes a locker room.

“He’s what I call a glue player. I looked at Ferrell back in September and October, and I watched three or four tapes and at the bottom of my notes, I wrote ‘glue/Chris Long.’ That’s the kind of guy, to me, who has more value than you can even put a number on. Chris hung in there, ended up in New England, gets a Super Bowl, goes to Philadelphia, gets another. Chris Long’s a glue guy. And I think Cle is also.”

I thought our dude was lazy before really diving in, but everyone says he's a workaholic who loves football (but also has some outside interests he wants to pursue to make some additional money). I hope these glue guy quotes hold up and apply to our dude as well.

[RashanGary]

Our guy lacks the pass rush of Ferrell. Ferrell is more instinctive with getting a shoulder and finding his way to the QB.

Our guy is more of a brute force though. Plus he’s fast. Gary does some things very few guys is size can do. He’s got the power of 300 pounder and the speed of someone 230. So Gary will have an impact on the game! Just different style than Ferrell.

[wist43]

I think Gary will be fine... he just needs to develop those techniques - good coaching should get him there.

[Bretsky]

I think Gary will be fine... he just needs to develop those techniques - good coaching should get him there.

Will he have MORE or LESS sacks then your other guy Kyle Fackrell ???

[Deputy Nutz]

Gary will probably have 5 or less sacks as a rookie. I am sure he will miss snaps because of injury. The Packers don't exactly need him to play a lot of snaps either, unless injuries happen to the Smiths. If he plays at or around 440 snaps, I think that will be more than enough for him to get his feet wet in the NFL. If he plays close to 500 snaps or above he might fall into 7 or 8 sacks, but more than that isn't realistic even for first round edge rushers.

[run pMc]

Gary will probably have 5 or less sacks as a rookie. I am sure he will miss snaps because of injury. The Packers don't exactly need him to play a lot of snaps either, unless injuries happen to the Smiths. If he plays at or around 440 snaps, I think that will be more than enough for him to get his feet wet in the NFL. If he plays close to 500 snaps or above he might fall into 7 or 8 sacks, but more than that isn't realistic even for first round edge rushers.

Agree. Indications are Pettine will send waves of rushers and move players around. I think that will mean it would be very unusual (but not impossible) for any one player to get more than 8 sacks. If Gary got 5+ sacks I'd consider that a good-to-very good rookie season for him.

[MadScientist]

Agree. Indications are Pettine will send waves of rushers and move players around. I think that will mean it would be very unusual (but not impossible) for any one player to get more than 8 sacks. If Gary got 5+ sacks I'd consider that a good-to-very good rookie season for him.

Fackrell got 10.5 in this scheme and people here are saying he's a JAG. If someone genuinely has talent and there is enough talent around him, he should get close to double digit sacks or more.
That said, I'd be happy if Gary gets 5+ and stays healthy.