First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

[mraynrand]

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[RashanGary]

Gary is a brute and a beast down in and down out. I’m not surprised Mike Smith thinks so highly of him. Gary was a great college player for how he affected the game. The stats will show up on the next level. Different, more stat flattering assignments are about to come his way.

[RashanGary]

And this is a new era of fandom. Many people who choose to like or dislike a player don’t do it based on a highlight reel. We do it based on full game tapes. Gary is consistently powerful and impactful.

[mraynrand]

And this is a new era of fandom. Many people who choose to like or dislike a player don’t do it based on a highlight reel. We do it based on full game tapes. Gary is consistently powerful and impactful.

You could write his personal statement. Use 'virtuosity' too.

[run pMc]

I'm cool with JH driving the bandwagon. Gotta love the enthusiasm, as well as the different opinions and debate.
I don't think we'll really know until Year 2 regular season game, when his shoulder's been fixed and he's had a full year in the program. As a movable piece and a depth pick for now, sure, maybe.
I'd rather they develop the kid behind the Smiths vs. throw him out there as a starter and expect him to get 10 sacks.

[Bretsky]

I'm cool with JH driving the bandwagon. Gotta love the enthusiasm, as well as the different opinions and debate.
I don't think we'll really know until Year 2 regular season game, when his shoulder's been fixed and he's had a full year in the program. As a movable piece and a depth pick for now, sure, maybe.
I'd rather they develop the kid behind the Smiths vs. throw him out there as a starter and expect him to get 10 sacks.

Overhyped Tarzan with Jane like production in college. Best sources would be the Michigan fans who watched him the past four years imo. I hope Tarzan produces like Tarzan for green bay

[pbmax]

Overhyped Tarzan with Jane like production in college. Best sources would be the Michigan fans who watched him the past four years imo. I hope Tarzan produces like Tarzan for green bay

About the fans, sure. They saw week to week what we haven't seen. But Fritz isn't faultless in his breakdown and neither are their other fans.

We do know that the whimsically helmeted team had a great defense and recruits like Gary helped.

So do I yet believe he is a dominant All Pro type who will be a pass rushing savior? No. I don't think he is going to give you Lawrence Taylor bend and curl around the tackle and harass the QB every down. He's going to need more than one move.

But can he be a very good 3 position guy who can pressure the QB from multiple angles with speed and quickness? I think that is within his reach.

[Bretsky]

About the fans, sure. They saw week to week what we haven't seen. But Fritz isn't faultless in his breakdown and neither are their other fans.

We do know that the whimsically helmeted team had a great defense and recruits like Gary helped.

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I went and read some of the Detroit Lions Fans reactions to the Gary pick and paid attention to the many who loved Michigan Football.

I bleed Cardinal and White. I was convinced Beigel could make it. I loved the Watt Brothers. I wanted GB to draft TJ Edwards, Ryan Connelly, and the hippy Badger LB as well as Dakota Dixon. There are very few Badgers I don't love (Jim Sorgi and Tolzien were exceptions).

It's not just Fritz; Michigan football fanatics who view their team like me all offer about the same insight. Great ability; gross underachiever. Not really what I was hoping for.

[Zool]

I went and read some of the Detroit Lions Fans reactions to the Gary pick and paid attention to the many who loved Michigan Football.

I bleed Cardinal and White. I was convinced Beigel could make it. I loved the Watt Brothers. I wanted GB to draft TJ Edwards, Ryan Connelly, and the hippy Badger LB as well as Dakota Dixon. There are very few Badgers I don't love (Jim Sorgi and Tolzien were exceptions).

It's not just Fritz; Michigan football fanatics who view their team like me all offer about the same insight. Great ability; gross underachiever. Not really what I was hoping for.

You literally explained why it’s folly to listen to fans take on players.

[pbmax]

You literally explained why it’s folly to listen to fans take on players.

I'll never forget local radio wondering how the pro coaches screwed up Kevin Stemke.

[bobblehead]

So Green Bay was 8th overall in sacks last year ? We got the "best" lol Edge Rusher in the draft. We also upgraded our safeties and outside LB's. That should move up a lot and Gary as the "best" edge rusher in the draft should have at least double digit sacks. And hopefully pressures drastically improve to.

BUT pressures should have drastically improved with the additions of Smith and Smith, right ??

So the only real measurable is sacks.

Unless we're using Michigan logic which would basically allow us to justify the draft pick forever.

I wanted Burns...I wanted a twitchy edge demon. But I also believe in metrics. Numbers can be misused, but straight up they don't lie. Gary is a mammoth compared to burns...yet just as athletic. If put in the right situations he will be very good. I have begun drinking the kool aid.

[bobblehead]

I too am not happy with GB picking Rashan Gary. For me a first round pick that high in the draft should not be a "project" that will require possibly years to coach up. Physical strength/speed are great, but the NFL is loaded with fast/strong second and third team players. If he does produce, then great.

I see Gary as a Nick Perry 2.0 and we all know how he worked out.

Gary played hurt and became the 12 pick. Perry grew a vagina and sat a lot. When healthy Perry worked out pretty well, but he was nowhere near the athlete that Gary is. If Gary is proportionally better/available in his athleticism/history compared to Perry we got a future all pro.

[bobblehead]

I call BS

Sacks are the measurable

Let's stop making excuses and measure Gary on his production in the NFL

Petting likes sacks. If he's the top Edge in the draft he gets measured based on production and that means many many sacks

Can we get crazy and measure BOTH? I mean if he gets a 3rd down pressure that causes a throw away is that a win?

[bobblehead]

Overhyped Tarzan with Jane like production in college. Best sources would be the Michigan fans who watched him the past four years imo. I hope Tarzan produces like Tarzan for green bay

Fans also told me Clay was a GREAT pass rusher. I saw different. Over the years my eyes proved to be a better source than "fans"

[RashanGary]

Fans also told me Clay was a GREAT pass rusher. I saw different. Over the years my eyes proved to be a better source than "fans"

He averaged 10 sacks per year for the first six years. He was a really good pass rusher for a minute. When he lost his burst, he lost his effectiveness. He’s also the all time Packer record holder for sacks so that’s something too. He’s also looking to finish in the top 50 all time in NFL sacks. So he’s been a pretty good pass rusher. Not quite HOF, but pro bowl pass rusher for a few good years there. Certainly not the greatest though. That is very true.