First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

[mraynrand]

You know Aaron Rodgers turns 36 in December, right? Favre retired at 41; if Rodgers plays that long he'll need luck and health (and a good OL).

Another couple of years and the NFL will be electronic touch football. Rodgers will play til he’s 48.

[texaspackerbacker]

You know Aaron Rodgers turns 36 in December, right? Favre retired at 41; if Rodgers plays that long he'll need luck and health (and a good OL).

I don't know about electronic touch, but rule changes absolutely make it possible for QBs to hang around longer. Is there any reason why Rodgers would quit at a younger age than Brady for example? I think he even said he expects to play into his forties. I stand by the 6 or 8 or 10 years as very realistic.

Luck, Yes; Health, Yes; A good O Line? Arguably he's never really had that, and he's done pretty damn well so far.

[pbmax]

I don't know about electronic touch, but rule changes absolutely make it possible for QBs to hang around longer. Is there any reason why Rodgers would quit at a younger age than Brady for example? I think he even said he expects to play into his forties. I stand by the 6 or 8 or 10 years as very realistic.

Luck, Yes; Health, Yes; A good O Line? Arguably he's never really had that, and he's done pretty damn well so far.

Multiple left knee injuries.

[texaspackerbacker]

Multiple?

Aaron Rodgers Injury History
Date League Injury Details
Dec 30, 2018 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Rodgers departed in the 2nd quarter and never returned.
Sep 9, 2018 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2 Rodgers was carted off but later returned vs. Chicago. He dealt with a sprain and a bone bruise for most of the season.
Oct 15, 2017 NFL Shoulder Clavicle Fracture Rodgers returned for 1 game before sitting out the final 2 weeks.
Dec 11, 2016 NFL Leg Calf Strain Rodgers' injury wasn't considered serious.
Dec 21, 2014 NFL Leg Calf Tear Rodgers reportedly had a "slight" tear in his calf.
Nov 4, 2013 NFL Shoulder Clavicle Fracture Rodgers' injury forced him to miss the next 7 games.
Dec 12, 2010 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Rodgers missed 1 game with his 2nd concussion of 2010.
Oct 10, 2010 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Rodgers didn't miss a game following his Week 5 concussion.
Nov 19, 2006 NFL Pedal Foot Fracture Rodgers was placed on IR after suffering a foot fracture.

I was there for the one and ONLY knee injury on that list - and the great comeback in the second half - after the injury.

[bobblehead]

Look, I want Gary to be a big, massive success but to put him in the same sentence as Watt, let alone compare the back ground.... I think the cart was on the road before the horse was even conceived on this statement JH.

Agree. Gary is a much better athlete than Watt.

[call_me_ishmael]

Agree. Gary is a much better athlete than Watt.

That's a flaming hot take. Normally your football opinions are pretty good. I'm surprised by this one. Watt was pretty freaky deaky at the combine my man.

[pbmax]

Multiple?

Aaron Rodgers Injury History
Date League Injury Details
Dec 30, 2018 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Rodgers departed in the 2nd quarter and never returned.
Sep 9, 2018 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2 Rodgers was carted off but later returned vs. Chicago. He dealt with a sprain and a bone bruise for most of the season.
Oct 15, 2017 NFL Shoulder Clavicle Fracture Rodgers returned for 1 game before sitting out the final 2 weeks.
Dec 11, 2016 NFL Leg Calf Strain Rodgers' injury wasn't considered serious.
Dec 21, 2014 NFL Leg Calf Tear Rodgers reportedly had a "slight" tear in his calf.
Nov 4, 2013 NFL Shoulder Clavicle Fracture Rodgers' injury forced him to miss the next 7 games.
Dec 12, 2010 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Rodgers missed 1 game with his 2nd concussion of 2010.
Oct 10, 2010 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Rodgers didn't miss a game following his Week 5 concussion.
Nov 19, 2006 NFL Pedal Foot Fracture Rodgers was placed on IR after suffering a foot fracture.

I was there for the one and ONLY knee injury on that list - and the great comeback in the second half - after the injury.

I don't have a single definitive source on this but this is what I remember (we are talking about the left leg, not the plant leg):

1. Torn ACL in high school, had ACL surgery in college (https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-...r-post-surgery)
1a. He played for 3 years on it, at least one without a brace.
2. At least 2 clean up surgeries to clean same knee as pro (2015 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...gery-left-knee)
3. MCL sprain in 2018

Rodgers has said the cleanup removed a lot of lingering issues with the knee. But now the 2018 MCL has happened. We'll see if there is any lingering affect now.

[pbmax]

Here is the summary of what has been publicly reported.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/09/12/knee-injury-leaves-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-status-question/1279504002/

[Upnorth]

My understanding (at least what my physio in the military told me) with MCL recovery is that it is a time thing. ACL typically will need surgery, but MCL's can come back with time and correct rehab. Depending on the severity 1 year should do it, however he had to push it every week last year so the continuous over use would extend recovery time. I don't think it was a major injury or he would have had to sit.

[texaspackerbacker]

I wasn't aware of the high school and college ACL stuff. As long ago as that is, and as mobile as he has always been, though, I really doubt that ACL thing is still a factor at all.

As for the MCL, playing with the injury probably accounts in large part for the subpar season he had - all the more reason to expect great things this season and for a lot of seasons to come.

[pbmax]

I wasn't aware of the high school and college ACL stuff. As long ago as that is, and as mobile as he has always been, though, I really doubt that ACL thing is still a factor at all.

As for the MCL, playing with the injury probably accounts in large part for the subpar season he had - all the more reason to expect great things this season and for a lot of seasons to come.

That HS injury and subsequent surgery were bothering him up until the cleanup procedure in 2016 And his mobility seems lessened in these last few years. He gets tackled from behind a lot more.

The MCL was damage to the same knee. I don't know of any way to wrench your knee that doesn't affect all parts of the knee. The simple wear and tear can make that knee worse without being an identified new injury.

[Radagast]

I wasn't aware of the high school and college ACL stuff. As long ago as that is, and as mobile as he has always been, though, I really doubt that ACL thing is still a factor at all.

As for the MCL, playing with the injury probably accounts in large part for the subpar season he had - all the more reason to expect great things this season and for a lot of seasons to come.

Tex, at your age you should well know that some injuries incurred in our youth, remain with us for the rest of our lives. They can result in knee or hip replacement, arthritis, and more. As mentally tough as Rodgers is, the pain and medical treatments that we don't see or hear about are a regular part of his life and most likely will remain so long after his football career ends. His medical file must be as thick as a copy of "War and Peace".

When I think about what some players sacrificed for the game it's frightening. Jim Otto (both hips replaced), Joe Namath (both knees replaced), and the list goes on and on. Rodgers may well suffer every remaining day of his life because he is willing to sacrifice his body to be the best. I salute him for his courage and his mental discipline.

R.Gary is beginning his time in the NFL. He looks fearless and aggressive, but how will he be feeling in mid December when all of the hits and collisions have begun to take their toll. Will it make him tougher or beat him down?

[Fritz]

True, but its always true in general. You need good, cheap, young talent. Helps even more if its a QB, EDGE pass rusher or CB.

But you need to find savings somewhere to afford elite level talent. Much easier to be the Lions and spend elite money on being .500.

You're being very generous to the Lions, PB. They were about a .500 team under Caldwell, which for them represented dizzying heights of success.

[pbmax]

You're being very generous to the Lions, PB. They were about a .500 team under Caldwell, which for them represented dizzying heights of success.

Clearly. It seems to have imparted madness to them now.

[call_me_ishmael]

It is *really* hard not to be encouraged by Gary's start. I don't think you could ask for higher praise of a rookie a few days in.