2019 Green Bay Packers @ Chicago Bears Week 1 Discussion Thread

[gbgary]

Agree with this

But as Patler said, terrible mistake to trade away a natural safety for Kizer

I think MM had a lot to do with that though

he quit on the team though and forced his way out. dr heyward and mr hyde were much bigger mistakes than randall trade could ever be considered.

[gbgary]

Bretsky,

Rodgers, Bakh, Taulor, Linsley, Bulaga, Adams, Jones, Williams
Clark, M Adams, Lowry, Martinez, Fackrell, King
Crosby, Davis

And a boatload of cash and only one bad contract....

At least he left it in position to turn around quickly. I get the feeling with TTs illness all of the higher ups were fighting amongst each other and messing shit up. Gute is healthy and has the energy to make swift, confident decisions so it seems in better hands now.

i think that's more on ball than ted. they (ball, murphy, and mccarthy) were covering for ted those last 2-3 seasons as he declined.

[gbgary]

Honestly, truth. be told, I think Ted Thompson is mostly responsible for the last two years. McCarthy is next by not doing enough to support the defense and Special teams. But those couple bad drafts first and foremost, combined with letting Hyde and Heyward go, combined with resigning Perry just crushed our team.

Gute cut bait with the old, made up for the bad drafts with some core free agents from the 2015 draft and then drafted Alexander and a bunch of promising guys. It has a chance to be a quick turn around.

yup

[Joemailman]

Darrius Shepherd out with a hamstring. Kid learns fast.

[pbmax]

i think that's more on ball than ted. they (ball, murphy, and mccarthy) were covering for ted those last 2-3 seasons as he declined.

Who hired and gave Ball his marching orders? Ted was always in a good position for the next year.

[pbmax]

he quit on the team though and forced his way out. dr heyward and mr hyde were much bigger mistakes than randall trade could ever be considered.

Quit on the team? When?

He had one blowup when the coaches didn't want to hear about Jones' blowing another coverage. He melted down and got sent to the locker room. Not exactly quitting.

[Bretsky]

Bretsky,

Rodgers, Bakh, Taulor, Linsley, Bulaga, Adams, Jones, Williams
Clark, M Adams, Lowry, Martinez, Fackrell, King
Crosby, Davis

And a boatload of cash and only one bad contract....

At least he left it in position to turn around quickly. I get the feeling with TTs illness all of the higher ups were fighting amongst each other and messing shit up. Gute is healthy and has the energy to make swift, confident decisions so it seems in better hands now.

I get that same feeling; others knew TT was not well and without a strong leader my gut tells me there were power struggles

[Bretsky]

he quit on the team though and forced his way out. dr heyward and mr hyde were much bigger mistakes than randall trade could ever be considered.

Not sure about this

Is Hyde really any better than Randall ?

And I don't view what Randall did as quitting; he actually called out some teammates and rightfully so after a loss.

But MM didn't like any of this and/or his attitude

He looks awesome as a safety in Cleveland

[gbgary]

Quit on the team? When?

He had one blowup when the coaches didn't want to hear about Jones' blowing another coverage. He melted down and got sent to the locker room. Not exactly quitting.

he was sat after a mistake and at halftime he left the stadium. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/p...-with-coaches/

[gbgary]

Not sure about this

Is Hyde really any better than Randall ?

And I don't view what Randall did as quitting; he actually called out some teammates and rightfully so after a loss.

But MM didn't like any of this and/or his attitude

He looks awesome as a safety in Cleveland

hyde was 2nd team all-pro in 17

[Bretsky]

i was sat after a mistake and at halftime he left the stadium. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/p...-with-coaches/

I think he was told to leave the field.

If he left the stadium......agree...not a good choice.....but I would not consider that to be quitting on the team.

MM had a bone up his ass for Randall IMO

And shame on Gooter for trading talent for a piece of junk

[Bretsky]

hyde was 2nd team all-pro in 17

Was he better than Randall last year ? I don't think he was

[gbgary]

Was he better than Randall last year ? I don't think he was

pff rated him 72.8 and hyde 84...there's that.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-ran...019-nfl-season

https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/1105458668978487296

[pbmax]

he was sat after a mistake and at halftime he left the stadium. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/p...-with-coaches/

I believe McCarthy later said he was sent to the locker room after the blow up. More to the point, he went on from this to be there best DB in the second half of the season.

[pbmax]

I agree Hyde was the bigger misplay. They had four or five seasons to figure that out.