2019 Green Bay Packers @ Chicago Bears Week 1 Discussion Thread

[pbmax]

Pb, seriously, do you really think defenses just go up and honest Abe give Rodgers (or any audible offense) their coverages so Rodgers can audible into the right play? Hell NO! They know he audibles more than anyone so they bait him. It’s really not that complicated.
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Yes, most teams do. Its not easy to disguise. You need vets and a good handle of the defense. Even harder to do it and not give anything away. The hard count doesn't just draw D lineman offside. The double count and working the clock to near zero often reveals a defenses intention. I love that you think this is just a one sided affair. You gonna audible, we'll disguise. Game over!

Would LOVE to see your evidence of Bears quarter coverage AND a run front. Must have been a mighty run front with 7 in a box and four deep DBs.

Also would love to see ANY evidence that the Bears and Fangio before 2018 really got Rodgers confused. Let's see: Rodgers versus Bears and Fangio:

Packers scores against Bears since 2015:
31, 13, 26, 30, 35 (must have been VERY good scheming), 23, 24 and 17.

Funny how I don't see a 6 point game anywhere here.

You want confusion: go look at the score versus Lovie's better Bears D. The best Bears D in almost a decade gave up an average of 20.5 points to a TERRIBLE Packers offense. Is this supposed to be evidence for disguising working or not working?

You do know that not every play is a run or pass option, right?

[RashanGary]

Yes, most teams do. Its not easy to disguise. You need vets and a good handle of the defense. Even harder to do it and not give anything away. The hard count doesn't just draw D lineman offside. The double count and working the clock to near zero often reveals a defenses intention. I love that you think this is just a one sided affair. You gonna audible, we'll disguise. Game over!
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Point taken. Rodgers is good at it. It’s not a completely useless system, like you say, especially with the right personnel. I certainly want to acknowledge the solid points for it and the effectiveness of it, in both Manning and Rodgers cases.

I still have a lean toward the pace/similar play/motion style. I just think it’s so much easier to run and gets the OL and running back engaged and just makes for emotionally charged aggressive team football. I like that style more and see more champion success with it. Maybe not statistical, but Super Bowl wins with guys like Aikman or Brady’s championship years vs his stat years.

[mraynrand]

Wait, the TexRogue™/Extended offense isn't really an audible offense is it? I mean, Rodgers is just making it up and hoping guys run to deep open spots that he imagines in his head, right? He's not audibling to see crappy quick slant that'll get picked, and at best he's audibling out of a terrible run play that never works, right? Just scramble and wing it! You can't defend that!

[Teamcheez1]

In real news, TE Jace Sternberger has been place on IR.

James Crawford not a candidate to come back as he was signed by the Dolphins.

[texaspackerbacker]

I went away for several hours, and wow, an explosion of posts.

What's gonna happen is gonna happen. Did you haters of "extended offense" and wishers and hopers for something new and revolutionary see anything like you envision in the preseason? No? Gosh, I wonder why not hahahahahaha. And that was with Boyle and Kizer - no Rodgers to blame (for doing what works).

Play design as well as what actually happens after the snap is a product of PERSONNEL, not ego and bullheadedness. Packer personnel dictates that you cannot have success in a run-first offense. It ain't that I hate the run game - if we were talking about the Badgers with that great O Line, a possible GOAT RB, and probable mediocrity at QB, I'd be right there with ya'all saying "run first/run often". But this is the Packers - with a sieve of an O Line that only has decent stats because Aaron Rodgers escapes the pass rush (i.e. extended offense). Our O Line repeatedly proves the foolhardiness of wasting downs running behind it.

And then there's that separate question about how to conduct a passing offense. I assume most of ya'all watch other games that either you care who wins or you do not. Do you seriously not see the STUPIDITY of throwing it into a crowd - quick passes which ya'all crave because they maybe negate the pass rush, and getting interceptions? Aaron Rodgers doesn't do that; Tim Boyle in the limited sample of preseason didn't do that; Deshone Watson doesn't do that (I've heard idiot commentators claim he holds onto the ball too long hahahahaha); Dak Prescott mostly doesn't do that; A helluva lot of other QBs do that, though, with a lot of bad results. Just watch Trubisky "do it ya'all's way", and throw a couple to the Packers on Thursday.

[RashanGary]

Tex, you do realize the Packers brought in an offensive coach who comes from the Mike Shanahan tree. Mike Shanahan, Kubiak, Kyle, McVay, Lafleur..... they all match their run plays with pass plays so it all looks alike. This is an offense that is not built around audibles like AR wants. It’s built around pace and patterning playcalls and the run game.

Oh, it’s a topic. AR or Lafleur, just like Manning and Kubiak... someone’s gonna have to bend.

[pbmax]

Play design as well as what actually happens after the snap is a product of PERSONNEL, not ego and bullheadedness. Packer personnel dictates that you cannot have success in a run-first offense. It ain't that I hate the run game -

When he is right, he is right. But this could change as the team adapts to a run emphasis. My bet is its still pass first and most.

[texaspackerbacker]

Several years of superb O Line drafting combined with Aaron Rodgers getting a little less mobile by age 40 or so, and you might see a run emphasis hahahaha. Wouldn't Jonathan Taylor look great in an outside zone rushing scheme? It almost certainly will not be with the Packers, though.

[RashanGary]

8 of the top 11 rushing offenses made the playoffs last year. The number 3 and number 5 rushing offenses played in the super bowl. Having a balanced offense isn’t such the horrible thing you make it out to be, Tex and company. Aaron Rodgers might even have more success if the offense he is in, runs the ball more. They literally averaged 5 yards per attempt last year so maybe a couple more of those 5 yard scampers instead of 70% passes would have lead to more offensive success. Maybe even opened up the passing game further??

[RashanGary]

When he is right, he is right. But this could change as the team adapts to a run emphasis. My bet is its still pass first and most.

There was literally one team in the league that ran over 50% of the time last year. Don’t go too far out on that limb. But successful teams do tend to run better and more than average. So we should be in the upper half of run success to be a better team instead of near the end.

[RashanGary]

If Rodgers was willing to run the ball, his passing numbers might even go up with it because he’ll get more favorable defenses on his passing attempts.

[Joemailman]

If Rodgers was willing to run the ball, his passing numbers might even go up with it because he’ll get more favorable defenses on his passing attempts.

My hope is that the running game will bring back the deep post pattern off play action. For the first time since Jordy's prime, Packers have the speed receivers to run it.

[pbmax]

There was literally one team in the league that ran over 50% of the time last year. Don’t go too far out on that limb. But successful teams do tend to run better and more than average. So we should be in the upper half of run success to be a better team instead of near the end.

Yes, because they have leads.

[RashanGary]

My hope is that the running game will bring back the deep post pattern off play action. For the first time since Jordy's prime, Packers have the speed receivers to run it.

Absolutely. And MVS is a unique talent imo. I just looked at the top 20 reception leaders. 13 were receivers. Only one of the 13 was over 6’3”. So in the NFL right now it’s less common for really tall receivers to dominate.

Taller guys tend to be a little heavier and lumbering and struggle to get off the line, clean.

MVS has a unique skillset in that he’s tall, long arms, agile and incredibly fast! Plus he’s smart and determined and a cool dude, imo, but what does that have to do with anything. But I think he can be an elite deep threat and one of those rare 6’4” guys who has 1,000 yard seasons.

[RashanGary]

Yes, because they have leads.

It also slows pass rush, brings linebackers up so the pass game flourishes, leads to more favorable coverages and wears teams out. They have the lead because they run the ball.