the decline of aaron rodgers

[RashanGary]

I think M4 is appreciating AR more every day.

But I think AR is appreciating M4 more every day too cuz the all 11 mantra has the perimeter players blocking in a way we haven’t seen in years and AR enjoys winning and is really close with the OL so I think AR is really enjoying winning with the run. Stats don’t do it for him anymore. Team and winning does. And ARs ball security and game command are the biggest reasons we win so he’s earning is 35M and is still a huge part of it. Tom Brady with mobility. Best QB in the NFL

[mraynrand]

I didn't want to descend too far into silliness with the MVS bomb play. I know that most teams have a set of plays for every down and distance. Packers run their favorite plays for those downs and distances early in the game. Bu the other team game plans too, and after they see those plays, they counter them (well, the Redskins and Jets don't). So they go to play #2 or #3 on the chart depending on what the defense shows, etc. etc. I agree that it takes time to get that groove between Rodgers and Flower. I honestly thought it would take a lot longer. The groin pains in this offense haven't been enough to derail an amazing 4-1 start against some pretty tough defenses.

[RashanGary]

I agree that it takes time to get that groove between Rodgers and Flower. I honestly thought it would take a lot longer. The groin pains in this offense haven't been enough to derail an amazing 4-1 start against some pretty tough defenses.

I thought it would be sooner but shows ya what I know. I’ve adjusted the way I view football after seeing the start of this season unfold.

[gbgary]

I think this scripted narrative is getting kind of overblown. Another way of looking at it is "game-planning."

i don't think it is. those scripted plays are the ones they pound on during practice. that's why they're more successful. they should probably work more of those plays into the 4th qtr mix when a first down is imperative.

[mraynrand]

i don't think it is. those scripted plays are the ones they pound on during practice. that's why they're more successful. they should probably work more of those plays into the 4th qtr mix when a first down is imperative.

As I said, I think these plays you refer to are indeed at the top of their list of favorite plays for the particular down and distance. But once they run 'em the defense sees them and can adjust. Maybe they are outthinking themselves sometimes, or maybe game circumstances dictate otherwise. There are a whole host of reasons why they don't run the same exact stuff late in games, including, most prominently and wonderfully this past week, the fact that they are up by three scores.

[Zool]

Script or no script, they are either not adjusting well at halftime, or Rodgers is falling into his bad habits when they have a lead.

[texaspackerbacker]

It isn't the scripting itself so much as it's the fact that the script often departs from LaFleur's standard offense. If it was the script that made the big difference, they could and probably would put together another script for after the half. The "bad habit" is LaFleur falling back on his run-first mentality and wasting too many downs that way. I say this having become slightly less negative about the running game, given that our O Line kicked it up a notch and Aaron Jones looked a little bit like Jonathan Taylor at times. Even so, the runs were not as successful as even just an average passing game, and way too often LaFleur got away from the inside zone runs that were working and went back to his favorite outside zone which were not working.

[mraynrand]

The 'run-first' thing has a lot of fiction to it. Against Philly, they went to their money man against a weak secondary. Adams was the guy to exploit Philly's top weakness. Against Dallas, especially without Adams to work the edges, they went with their money man on short passes to frustrate the pass rush, and on inside zone runs where they could get a hat on the LBs with their interior strength.

In short, Flower is running his offense just like 'Cheat - matching his own team's strength against the defenses' most vulnerable points. But, the Packers only have so many weapons, and when the defense takes stuff away, they revert to the main weapon, the "wave motion gun*" that is Aaron Rodgers







*Any saturday morning anime nerds out there?

[RashanGary]

The 'run-first' thing has a lot of fiction to it. Against Philly, they went to their money man against a weak secondary. Adams was the guy to exploit Philly's top weakness. Against Dallas, especially without Adams to work the edges, they went with their money man on short passes to frustrate the pass rush, and on inside zone runs where they could get a hat on the LBs with their interior strength.

In short, Flower is running his offense just like 'Cheat - matching his own team's strength against the defenses' most vulnerable points. But, the Packers only have so many weapons, and when the defense takes stuff away, they revert to the main weapon, the "wave motion gun*" that is Aaron Rodgers







*Any saturday morning anime nerds out there?

This is what i see too. And they’re just learning what works best for these guys.

[Upnorth]

I see it more that when arod trusts his receivers to be where they are supposed to be he will unload the cannon. When he does not trust them he turtles.

[texaspackerbacker]

The 'run-first' thing has a lot of fiction to it. Against Philly, they went to their money man against a weak secondary. Adams was the guy to exploit Philly's top weakness. Against Dallas, especially without Adams to work the edges, they went with their money man on short passes to frustrate the pass rush, and on inside zone runs where they could get a hat on the LBs with their interior strength.

In short, Flower is running his offense just like 'Cheat - matching his own team's strength against the defenses' most vulnerable points. But, the Packers only have so many weapons, and when the defense takes stuff away, they revert to the main weapon, the "wave motion gun*" that is Aaron Rodgers







*Any saturday morning anime nerds out there?

I sort of agree, but it's more a matter of circumstance in the game - turn Rodgers loose and get a lead, or in the case of the Eagles game, when running the ball is pretty much a hopeless cause. Then when we get a lead, LaFleur feels comfortable reverting to his own way of doing things - hence the late game problems and allowing teams to get back in the game.

Hopefully over time, LaFleur learns to de-emphasize his (ego-driven?) penchant to change toward his "new offense", and he goes with what works. To some extent, what we have seen resembles McCarthy's "playing not to lose" rather than trusting Rodgers to keep the offense going and not make mistakes like so many other QBs.

[RashanGary]

Go to 2:45. Start of Aaron Jones clip followed by 12’s response

[RashanGary]

You watch that clip and see Aaron’s excitement for his teammate... you look at his stat line that could have easily read 3 touchdowns and a 130 rating and you listen to his words after the game. It all lines up. Leadership. He’s graduated to a new level of dominance as it relates to winning. But don’t listen to me, I’m a lunatic. Listen to 12 himself. Stats are so 2011. Winning is the new QB rating for 12.

In the words of handsome flower, winning takes “all 11”

And with that, my biggest gripe with 12 is gone. I’m with Tex but for different reasons. GOAT

[gbgary]

if rodgers has truly come to that realization we're all but one hoping for, they'll weed-out all the mccarthy O that's stinking up the playbook (er...surface tablet).

[RashanGary]

if rodgers has truly come to that realization we're all but one hoping for, they'll weed-out all the mccarthy O that's stinking up the playbook (er...surface tablet).

I don’t know if it was the McCarthy O or the post game glasses of scotch shared where McCarthy read Aaron his stat line but was really internally gloating about what a QB guru he is and simultaneously influencing AR to be a glory whore like MM.